Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire/Thorsten

Overview

Combos

Strategy/Matchups

Kung-Fu Master version

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Intro

JP Name: トステン

Thorsten is played by German actor Thorsten Nickel, who starred alongside Jackie Chan in 1995's Thunderbolt as the villain Warner "Cougar" Kaugman.

Thorsten fights with high-priority normal pokes, damaging throw combos, and runaway tactics with the help of his teleports. He also has one of the game's most reliable touch of death combos involving his powerful super. Thorsten uses these advantages to mitigate his mediocre movement speed that makes it hard to force his own offense when at a life deficit.

Strengths	Weaknesses
Easy touch of death combo with meter, and very high damage meterless 2HK poke is completely safe with an amazing hitbox His amazing teleports make it almost impossible to chase him down if he has a life lead Heavy weight makes him less susceptible to juggles High stun resistance makes him more difficult than average to stun LK Gatling Kick, at 3f startup, acts as a powerful pseudo-reversal	Confirms into his best juggle starters can be difficult Below average dash speed weakens his offensive options Buffered special moves are all unsafe

Character Stats

General Stats

Base Defense	Stun Defense	Throw Range
240 (Average)	11520 (High)	60 (B)

Wakeup Data

Neutral Rise	Forward Roll	Backward Roll
32f	55f	41f

Meter Data

Charge Rate	Charge Recovery
20.9% /sec	5f
Taunt Meter Drain	Taunt Duration
15.2%	41f

Movement Data

Weight	Prejump Frames	Jump Frames
Heavy	6f	56f (OK)
Backdash Duration	Backdash Distance	Back Walkspeed
22f (Slow)	158 (Very Far)	Below Average
Forward Dash Speed		Forward Walkspeed
3.9 (B-)		Average

Frame Data Info (click to expand)
Startup	The number of frames it takes for a move to become active. If this value is lower than the opponent's Hit Adv or Block Adv, it can be used to punish that move if it is in range. If a second value is listed in (parentheses), the move hits later during its active frames (i.e. a 2-hit overhead where the first hit whiffs vs. crouching).
Active	The number of frames that an attack's hitbox remains active. The first active frame overlaps with the final startup frame. Attacks with multiple hits are separated by an asterisk (*) if there is no gap between hits, or by a number in (parentheses) denoting the number of frames between active hitboxes. --Example 1: 3*5 = 3 active frames (1st hit), 5 active frames (2nd hit) --Example 2: 2(5)4 = 2 active frames, 5f gap, 4 active frames For attacks with long, complex sets of active frames, the description will explain the details and the Active column will simply display the total number of active frames. Attacks with more active frames are more effective as pokes and anti-airs.
Recovery	The number of frames that a character cannot act after startup and active frames have passed. For airborne attacks, recovery may be listed as 'X + Y land', where X+Y is the total recovery and Y is the number of grounded recovery frames (which allows the character to be thrown or punished with a grounded combo).
Guard	The way a move must be guarded against. High = Can be blocked standing, whiffs against crouching. Mid = Can be blocked both standing and crouching. Low = Must be blocked crouching. Overhead = Must be blocked standing Throw = Cannot be blocked
Hit Adv	The frame advantage of an attack on hit. 0 means the attacker and defender recover at the same time. A positive number means the attacker recovers before the defender. --Example: A move listed as +4 on Hit may link into a move with 4f Startup. A negative number means the defender recovers before the attacker, and the attack may be punishable. --Example: A move listed as -6 on Hit may be punished by a move with 6f Startup, if it is in range. KD means the attack knocks down if it hits. May also be displayed as a range of values for attacks with significantly different frame advantage when used at different spacing. --Example: A move with '-5 to 3' advantage on hit can be anywhere from -5 to +3 depending on which active frame hits the opponent.
Block Adv	The frame advantage of an attack on block. This includes the final Guard Cancel frame (see the 'reversal' section of the Basic System page for more details) 0 means the attacker and defender recover at the same time. A positive number means the attacker recovers before the defender. A negative number means the defender recovers before the attacker, and the attack may be punishable. --Example: A move listed as -6 on Block may be punished by a move with 6f Startup, if it is in range. Throws cannot be blocked, so the column is left empty in this case. May also be displayed as a range of values for attacks with significantly different frame advantage when used at different spacing. --Example: A move with '-5 to 3' advantage on block can be anywhere from -5 to +3 depending on which active frame hits the opponent.
Damage	Base Damage of the attack, not accounting for scaling or opponent's defense value. Damage for each hit is separated by an asterisk (*) If there are several hits in a row with identical damage, it will be listed as A x B to save space --Example: 4*5x3*8 = 4 damage + 5 damage (3 hits) + 8 damage See Basic System page for details on damage scaling and defense.
Stun	Stun damage of the attack, not accounting for any scaling (light normals do not have any stun scaling). Throws never deal stun. Most characters have a maximum stun threshold of 10240, while Thorsten has 11520 and M. Lion has 12800. Stun damage for each hit is separated by an asterisk (*) If there are several hits in a row with identical stun, it will be listed as A x B to save space --Example: 256*128x3*512 = 256 stun + 128 stun (x3 hits) + 512 stun See Basic System page for details on stun.
Knockdown Timer	KD Timer damage of the attack, not accounting for any scaling (follows normal damage scaling rules). The higher a character's KD Timer value, the longer it takes to wake up after a knockdown. See "Damage" for more information on how to read the values. See Advanced System page for details on KD Timer.
Special Cancel	The ability to cancel the animation of a normal attack into a special/super move. Command normals can never be special cancelled. Specials cannot be cancelled into supers like in some other games. The only special cancellable air normal is Admiral Jackie's j.LP (into Air Dragon Shot).
Attribute	Self = Light normal that can be rapidly chained into itself on hit, block, or whiff. By default, self chains can be input very quickly (after the first active frame, whether it connects or not) (slow) means the self-chain must be delayed until the move's recovery (cannot chain during active frames or hitstop) No-Chain = Normal attack that cannot be chained into another normal OTG = Off The Ground; Attack will connect vs. a knocked down opponent for 25% of its usual damage. Airborne = Attack puts the user in the air, making them immune to throws, and hits will put them into a juggle state. Invincible/Invulnerable = Attack has no hurtbox and cannot be interrupted during these invincibility frames Mashable = Rapidly input buttons/directions for extra hits. For throws, defender can also mash to reduce damage. KD0/Spike = Knockdown Timer set to 0 -- opponent will be knocked down and immediately stand up Backturn = Causes juggled opponent to face the opposite direction, preventing backdash upon landing Crossup = Attack must be blocked in the opposite direction if it connects behind the opponent Squish = Move has a visual effect that flattens and stretches the opponent (no known gameplay effect)
Hitstun Type	Against standing opponents, attacks can inflict two types of reeling animations. They are referred to as High and Mid hitstun because it usually (but not always) correlates with High attacks vs. Mid/Low attacks. The hitstun reeling animation can affect combo routes due to different hurtbox widths. Crouching opponents always have the same reeling animation regardless of attack.

Normals

Standing Normals

5LP	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3 8 High +8 +6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 512 128 Y - High Start of Normal Autocombo (LP>LP>LP>LP>LP>LP) Start of Special Autocombo (LP>LP>HP>HP>HP>HK>HK>LK+HK)

cl.5HP	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 6 2(2)2 23 Mid / Mid +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16*8 1024*512 256*128 Y (1st Hit) KD0 High / Mid 2 hits OTG vs M. Lion Proximity range: ≤ 93

far.5HP	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 10 2 23 High +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 24 1536 384 N - High Proximity range: ≥ 94

cl.5LK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3 8 Mid +8 +6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 9 768 144 Y - Mid Proximity range: ≤ 65

far.5LK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3 8 High +8 +6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 9 768 144 N - High Proximity range: ≥ 66

cl.5HK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 2 18 High +6 +3 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 27 768 432 N - High Allows for high damage link combos afterward against some standing characters Proximity range: ≤ 91

far.5HK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 3 (8) 3(2)2 18 Mid / High +6 +3 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 12*15 1024*768 192*240 N - Mid / High 2 hits Proximity range: ≥ 92

Crouching Normals

2LP	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3 8 Mid +8 +6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 6 512 96 Y Self-chain Mid Mainly used in matchups where the opponent can easily hop over 2LK (Lau, Dragonball Jackie) Frame advantage when chained into whiffed 5LP: +4/+2

2HP	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 2(2)3 23 Mid -4 -7 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8*16 1024*1024 128*256 Y (1st Hit) - Mid Good anti-air; can hit twice vs airborne (2nd hit will not be cancellable in this case) OTG vs M. Lion

2LK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3 8 Low +8 +6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 6 512 96 Y Self-chain Mid Primary hitconfirm button and fast whiffing poke Frame advantage when chained into whiffed 5LP: +4/+2 OTG vs M. Lion

2HK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 7 18 Low +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 27 768 432 N OTG, No-Chain Mid Footsies

Air Normals

j.LP Neutral/Diagonal Neutral/Diagonal	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 6 9 - Overhead - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 512 160 - - Mid Great hitbox and active frames for a jumpin

j.HP Neutral/Diagonal Neutral/Diagonal	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 7 - Overhead - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 30 1280 480 - Spike, Squish Mid Similar to j.LP but much more damage; a little more effective from longer range

j.LK Diagonal Diagonal	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 6 9 - Overhead - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 512 160 - Crossup High Fairly weak as a crossup, as followup jump chains will generally whiff

nj.LK Neutral Neutral	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 6 9 - Overhead - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 512 160 - - High Good air-to-air normal, can chain into j.HK then followed up with a juggle after landing

j.HK Neutral/Diagonal Neutral/Diagonal	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 6 6 - Overhead - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 30 1280 480 - Crossup* High Very weak crossup hitbox; far more likely to be blockable in both directions rather than truly hit crossup

Command Normals

6HP Universal Overhead Universal Overhead	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 19 3(2)2 23 Overhead / Overhead +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8*16 512*1024 128*256 - KD0 High / Mid 2 hits OTG vs M. Lion

6HK Mid Kick Mid Kick	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 10 2 23 Mid +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 24 1536 384 - - Mid Hitbox makes this poke effective against many low pokes

Throws

HP Throw	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 1 - - Throw KD - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 40 0 640 - Backturn - Leads to strong juggles near the corner; opponent will be backturned, so they can't backdash out of a reset Range: 60

Special Moves

Slash Sword (Molotov) 16P

16P or 13P Input Priority: above 46K, 28K, and 28P Input Priority: above 46K, 28K, and 28P

LK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 11 19 25 Mid -17 -21 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 32 4096 512 - OTG, Projectile - Can anti-air at some ranges, but rarely a good option Much safer if only the projectile part hits, rather than his arm HK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 14 18 32 Mid -23 -27 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 36 4096 512 - OTG, Projectile - Can anti-air at some ranges, but rarely a good option Much safer if only the projectile part hits, rather than his arm

Jackknife Storm (Scissor Kick) 46K

46K Input Priority: above 28K and 28P, below 16P Input Priority: above 28K and 28P, below 16P

LK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 9 2(3)2(2)2(1)1 26 Mid KD -4 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10*10*16 1280x2*2048 160x2*256 - KD0, OTG, Airborne 7-19f - Mashable for (extra damage) on hit or block Extra mashed hit does 4 dmg/256 stun/64 KD Time 2nd set of active frames hits behind/above Thorsten HK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 11 3(2)2(2)3(2)4 31 Mid KD -12 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 12*12*20 1536x2*2560 192x2*320 - KD0, OTG, Airborne 8-27f - Mashable for (extra damage) on hit or block Extra mashed hit does 4 dmg/256 stun/64 KD Time 2nd set of active frames hits behind/above Thorsten Usually whiffs in combos against crouching characters

Gatling Kick (Upkicks) 28K

28K Input Priority: above 28P, below 16P and 46K Input Priority: above 28P, below 16P and 46K

LK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 3 3(2)3(2)3 22 + 3 land Mid KD -14 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16*8*8 2048*512x2 256*128x2 - Airborne 6-36f - Landing recovery makes it difficult to punish with a grounded combo This is easier to confirm into than the HK version, but less rewarding most of the time Not invincible, but it can be used like a reversal due to its speed HK Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 4 3(2)2(3)2(2)2(3)2 46 + 3 land Mid KD -42 (-47) Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10*8x4 1280*512x4 160*128x4 - Airborne 7-70f - Landing recovery makes it difficult to punish with a grounded combo This is the optimal move to hitconfirm into for damage, stun, and corner carry, but can be hard to confirm

Teleport 28P

28P Input Priority: below 16P, 46K, and 28K Input Priority: below 16P, 46K, and 28K

LP Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 45 - 6 - - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type - - - - Invincible 1-45f - Only punishable during the final 6 recovery frames Disappears ~ frame 10, and reappears in the same place ~ frame 36 Hard to visually confirm which side Thorsten ends up on; must guess which way to dash in order to attempt a punish HP Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 45 - 6 - - - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type - - - - Invincible 1-45f - Only punishable during the final 6 recovery frames Disappears ~ frame 10, and reappears ~ frame 36 on the opposite side, the same distance away from opponent Teleporting into the corner can cause the distance between characters to decrease Hard to visually confirm which side Thorsten ends up on; must guess which way to dash in order to attempt a punish

Super

Spinning Death Saw 646LK+HK

646LK+HK

Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 0+9 31 28 + 13 land Mid KD -19 (-26) Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 6 each 512 each 96 each - Invincible 1-6f - 19f super flash; will lose to 4f attacks post-flash Chip Damage: ~13% standing, ~11% corner crouching, ~8% midscreen crouching Usually 13-16 hits; number will vary based on character hurtbox, standing/crouching, proximity to corner; will lose hits vs airborne opponents Hitbox can be inconsistent if used as a frame-perfect punish, especially against crouching moves -- should work consistently against moves that are -10 or worse (Data vs crouching opponent) Can get one OTG hit in very specific circumstances (opponent already bouncing)

Wakeup/Knockdown

Getup Attack Detailed Info (click to expand)

• Getup LK or HK must be input within a specific 16 frame window during the wakeup animation.
• The exact timing of this window varies by character and by whether it was a neutral wakeup or forward/back roll.
• During these 16 frames, the final LK or HK input will decide which version comes out. If LK and HK are input simultaneously, Getup LK takes priority.
• The Getup Attack will always come out on the first frame after the 16 frame input window, regardless of when it was input.
• For some characters, there is very little time between the end of the 16 frame Getup Attack window and the end of recovery, making it difficult to input a reversal move with LK or HK, so be mindful of this if you get accidental Getup Attacks.
• After inputting a Getup Attack, any special move input that occurs afterward will automatically be buffered until the attack animation has ended. This means that it's important to stop mashing directions on wakeup once the Getup Attack window is active, as you may get an unexpected special move way after it was input.

Getup LK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 9 2(7)2 21 Overhead / Mid KD (-11) +2 (-13) Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16*16 1024x2 256x2 - Invincible 1-8f - 2 hits; (data if only 1st hit connects) Only the 2nd hit knocks down, but this can whiff even if the first hit connects Knockdown allows for a dash into juggle

Getup HK	Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 7 2(11)2 25 Low / Low KD -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16*16 1024x2 256x2 - Invincible 1-6f, OTG - 2 hits Recovers in a crouching state, so it must be whiff punished with moves that work against crouchers

Pursuit Attack 8LP or 8HP

Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 52 4 32 Overhead [-20] / (-14) [-16] / (-10) Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16 * (4 each) 1536 - - OTG, Mashable - Only usable on a knocked down opponent First hit does 16 damage, all mashed followups do 4 damage each Damage scales as though it is part of a combo (rather than OTG scaling) Auto-tracks to the opponent's position at the time the Pursuit Attack is input If the opponent recovers from knockdown before the Pursuit Attack connects: -[Frame Advantage] on standing/crouching opponents (bounces very far away) -(Frame Advantage) only if the final active frame connects, causing Thorsten to not bounce away

Pursuit Counter Any 2 Buttons

Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv - - - - KD - Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 20 0 320 - - - 2f window to counter an opponent's pursuit attack; can counter against any hit of the pursuit attack Thorsten will take damage before the Counter happens, so it cannot save him from a KO Counter can only be performed while knocked down -If Thorsten wakes up before the Pursuit Attack connects, he cannot use Pursuit Counter against it Gets stronger juggles near the corner, but can combo from anywhere

Auto Combos

Normal Autocombo - LP > LP > LP > LP > LP > LP

	> LP (2) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 4 12 High +3 +1 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 1024 128 N - - Same animation as cl.5LP from Kung-Fu Master

	> LP (3) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 12 3 20 Mid +3 0 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 1024 128 N - - Same animation as 16P (Slash Sword); hits OTG vs. M. Lion

	> LP (4) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 16 3 20 High +3 0 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 1024 128 N - - Same animation as far.5HP

	> LP (5) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 15 2 23 High +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 1024 128 N - - Same animation as cl.5HK

	> LP (6) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 2 26 High -1 -5 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 1280 160 N - - Same animation as far.5HK

Special Autocombo - LP > LP > HP > HP > HP > HK > HK > LK+HK

	> LP (2) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 8 4 12 High +3 +1 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 8 1024 128 N - - Same animation as cl.5LP from Kung-Fu Master

	> HP (3) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 11 3 20 Mid +3 0 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 1280 160 N - - Same animation as cl.5HP; can hit OTG

	> HP (4) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 9 3 20 Mid +3 0 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 1280 160 N - - Same animation as cl.5HP (again); can hit OTG vs. M. Lion

	> HP (5) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 31 2 30 Overhead -6 -9 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 12 1536 192 N - - Doesn't combo; same animation as 2HP (with a forward slide) despite being an overhead

	> HK (6) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 11 2 23 High +1 -2 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 10 1280 160 N - - Same animation as cl.5HK

	> HK (7) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 17 3 30 High -7 -10 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 12 1536 192 N - - Doesn't combo, same animation as far.5HK

	> LK+HK (8) Startup Active Recovery Guard Hit Adv Block Adv 19 12 24 Mid KD -6 Damage Stun KD Timer Special Cancel Attribute Hitstun Type 16 2048 256 N - - Doesn't combo, same animation as 46K (Jackknife Storm) Airborne 10-29f

Hurtboxes/Hitstun

Standing (L High)	Standing (H High)	Crouching
Standing (L Mid)	Standing (H Mid)	Juggle State
Standing Blockstun	Crouching Blockstun	OTG State

"High" and "Mid" hitstun types do not always correspond to the attack's Guard Level (i.e. how it must be blocked). Low attacks on standing characters generally fall under the "Mid" category for example. The purpose of this table is to understand where the hurtboxes are when a character is reeling from an attack, which helps understand why certain sequences will hit or whiff. Attacks have 2 main types of hitstun they can do to grounded opponents, with further slight differences between light/heavy attacks.
Note: The lua console lists the following memory values for hitstun types:
L High = 26, H High = 27, L Mid = 29, H Mid = 30, Crouching = 32

Colors

Default Colors

LP/HP
Green/Blue

LK/HK
Purple/Red

Boss Version Colors

Demon Thorsten
P1 - Blue/Purple

Demon Thorsten
P2 - Gray/Blue

Select Boss variant with Start+Button on character select screen

Character Poses

Taunt	Win	Time Loss/Draw
Charge	Perfect	Loss (KO)

Stages

External Links

• Fists of Fire Bible--Thorsten by RCF -- (View -> disable Print Layout for best experience)
• Thorsten Frame Data Spreadsheet by Spabobin -- for more visually condensed info

Overview

Combos

Strategy & Matchups

Kung-Fu Master version