Idol Showdown/Suisei Hoshimachi

Stellar Stylish Idol - Saikou Pressure

Introduction

Playstyle

Suisei is a technical fighter who uses her evasive approach options to get in and open the opponent up. Once Suisei gets up close, the defending opponent will find it tricky to escape her offensive momentum.
Pros	Cons
Incredible Okizeme: 214H is extremely advantageous on block and eats reversals, allowing you to do pretty much whatever you want on the opponent’s wakeup when used in proper setups. Deadly Mix-ups: When using said 214H setups, you get both high/low AND left/right mix. Even if they survive your setplay, you still have a command grab for them to worry about. Well-Rounded Offense: 2L is perfect for tick throws and stagger pressure. Both options lead to great reward. Her command grab gives her oki, and she gets her best oki off almost every hit with 22M ender. Idol Step: Suisei uniquely has access to a metered dash cancel technique that improves both her combo and pressure game. Good Meter Build Potential: When optimized, Suisei’s combos give her plenty of bar to use and abuse her plethora of powerful metered options.	Weak Defensive Options: Other than system mechanics and a 5F jab, Suisei is completely lacking defensive tools. Struggles Against Zoning: While she isn’t lacking in tools to force her way through neutral, characters with strong projectiles and full screen presence are very problematic for her. Meter Hungry: While her oki is still good without 214H, she can’t guarantee a true 50/50 and beat reversals at the same time without it. She also needs bar for Idol Step cancels.

Moves

Standing Normals

5L

5L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 35 Mid 5f 3f 6f -3 +4 None Jab. Suisei's fastest normal. More range than 2L, moves you forward.
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5M

5M Dab Dab

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 50 Mid 7f 5f 11f -2 +5 None God button. A high hitting advancing mid that whiffs on crouching opponents at longer ranges. Surprisingly active. Links back into 5L for high meter build loops. Incredible for stagger pressure. The high hitbox for this move is gigantic, covering Suisei's entire arm without exposing any of her hurtbox. Great panic anti-air even if it is air blockable.

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5H

5H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 90 Mid 15f 2f 30f -7 -3 None Chunky horizontal axe swing. Awful recovery and startup make it ill-suited for use in neutral. High damage makes it useful combo fodder.
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Crouching Normals

2L

2L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 30 Low, Air Unblockable 6f 2f 11f 0 +4 None Incredibly stubby jab. Mostly inferior to 5L for abare purposes, but being even (0) on block makes it useful for tick throwing. Forces standing on hit, making combos more consistent.
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2M

2M Your best friend in neutral Your best friend in neutral	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 60 Low, Air Unblockable 8f 4f 15f -7 +3 None Amazing low poke thats quite fast for its range. Insanely disjointed and does not extend her hurtbox at all. Suisei's lack of good low commitment pokes other than this make her very reliant on it.
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2H

2H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 85 Mid, Air Unblockable 10f 3f 16f -13 +5 Head(6f-13f) Air unblockable launcher. Not much horizontal range compared to other 2Hs making it harder to use consistently as an anti-air.
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3H

3H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 100 Low, Air Unblockable 13f 3f 20f -12 +41 None Short sweep. Hard Knockdown.
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Jumping Normals

j.L

j.L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 25 High 7f 5f until land+3f - - None Standard j.L. Mostly used for instant overheads - it can be confirmed into a full combo during 214H oki or by using assists, for example j.L > j.S > Risu 214S.
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j.M

j.M	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 55 High 9f 4f until land+4f - - None Strictly horizontal gunshot. Wallbounces on hit, enables combo extensions in the corner but hurts its utility as an air to air.
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j.H

j.H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 90 High 10f 4f until land+5f - - None A jH with a pretty decent crossup hitbox. Your main jump-in most of the time.
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Command Normals

3M

3M You got this trying to input dash 2M, didn't you? You got this trying to input dash 2M, didn't you?

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 50 Low 12f 3f 10f -8 -4 None Low profile slide, goes under most mid height fireballs and quite a lot of mid height normals. Reward on non-counterhit is absolutely terrible, you can only really combo into 236S install. However, on counterhit it combos into 236L and oddly 22L depending on spacing. 22L being the better choice as it grants you a full meterless conversion. Despite being a slide it does not have meaningful variable framedata Incredibly low recovery, whiffing this move is surprisingly safe

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6H

6H Sui-ssor Kick! Sui-ssor Kick!	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 95 Mid 19f 3f 18f -10~-11 +4 None Not an overhead. Wallbounces on counterhit, even in a trade. Being an advancing normal its very useful for combo conversions and if hit late, it can combo into 5L
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Throw

Throw L+M

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 160 Unblockable 7f - 5f(hit) 13f(whiff) - +31 None While it may seem pointless to ever consider normal throw over her command grab, it has only about a fifth as much recovery on whiff in comparison. Making it a much safer option against opponents who have shown you they are willing to gamble on jumping out of your strings to escape it. Can be kara'd off of 5M with 6/4M~L plink to increase its range.

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Overhead

Overhead M+H Uses the same sprite as j.L Uses the same sprite as j.L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 60 High 25f 3f 24f -4 -2 None Universal standing overhead. You have better mixups than this. No cancel options, being quite reactable, and being minus on hit (lol) limits its usefulness outside of when you only need to hit a sleeping opponent once to kill. You can kara into this, but why?
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Special Attacks

236L

Wicked Slice 236L / 5S

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 65 Mid 13f 5f 21f -2~2 + None Big horizontal, advancing axe swing thats very safe on block or plus at max range. Decent counterpoke. Quite fast for its large range. On hit forces standing, and puts you in a better spot to continue running offense. Cancelled with 22S~6 however, it allows for a pressure reset or a 5M 5L link combo.

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236M

Starry Slice 236M / 6S Greed Sever! Greed Sever!

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 161 (80+81) High 23f 5f (first hit) until land+13f -11 +30 None Advancing airborne overhead that knocks down on hit and high profiles lows. Very unsafe on block without a cancel. Amazing damage potential as a combo starter. Can be SSC'd to jS to attempt to make it plus on block, but this is a knowledge check as there's a gap between the two where you can DP or even 2H on some characters.

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236H

Heart Harvest 236H

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 179 (125+27+27) Mid 13f 6f (first hit) 18f -14 +6(ground) +76(air) None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Has two versions depending on if the opponent was hit grounded or airborne. Grounded opponents are sideswapped on hit, but is generally not useful for the price as the opponent can tech. Airborne opponents are bounced off the wall back into Suisei, making for a good combo ender or extender if you have excess meter you're willing to spend. You have enough time for Charge lvl 2 fireball oki, or the option to SCC into 214H assuming you have 2 meter.

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236G

Tetromino Transhumanism 236G	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 203 (18+185) Unblockable 5f - 7f(hit) 59f(whiff) - +53 None A command grab that leaves the opponent directly in front of Suisei. Faster startup and better knockdown makes it all around superior to normal throw with the caveat of having a FULL SECOND of recovery on whiff.
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214L/M

Stellar Medley (Close/Far) 214L/M File:IS Suisei 214LM hitbox.png

Description A versatile, downwards-angled projectile that can be charged up to level 3 to improve its frame advantage. The light and medium versions cover separate angles. The frame advantage it offers makes it both a somewhat reliable pressure tool and meterless okizeme tool as well. In blockstrings, as long as the startup plays out and the comet is spawned, opponents that mash on Suisei will be hit out of their combo, as it does not go away on hit. Suisei’s best move to whiff in order to build superchat meter. 214L is the least explored of the two as of now. It has better frame advantage when charged than it’s medium counterpart, but the less horizontal angle of the projectile makes it difficult to utilize in setplay. A potential use for this move would be as a preemptive neutral tool as it’s vertical angle makes it suited for catching opponents approaching from above. 214M is the most commonly used version, and has a much wider variety of practical use cases. It’s longer horizontal range makes it the closest thing Suisei has to a zoning tool, as well as makes it more easily applicable for setplay. Less frame advantage than the light version, but the difference is negligible in reality. Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 1) 65 Mid 26f~52 - 0f +7 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 2) - Mid 60f~83f - 0f +31 - None Takes 33 frames to charge Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 3) - Mid 86f~98f - 0f +21~+72 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 1) 30 Mid 24f~39f - 0f +5 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 2) - Mid 57f~80f - 0f +25~+28 - None Takes 35 frames to charge Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 3) - Mid 85f~109f - 0f +24~+70 - None

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214H

STELLAR into the GALAXY 214H File:ISD Suisei 214H hitbox.png The reason you play Suisei The reason you play Suisei

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 56 (20+18+18) Mid 42f, projectile hits on 50f~159f(?) - 0f +55 - None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Character-defining okizeme powerhouse move. Incredibly oppressive projectile that eats wakeup reversals and enables all her best mixups. You will be donating most of your meter to this evil ball of blockstun. If you really are tired of playing neutral you can spend the bar just to walk your opponent down with it backing you up as it travels forward with Suisei. Absorbs 3 hits of projectiles The orb spawns almost directly above Suisei, near where 2H launches the opponent in the corner. You can use the orb as an attempt to catch teching into buttons or as a combo extender in the corner because of this, but it's generally not worth the meter.

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22L

Hoshispin (Horizontal) 22L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 106 (20+86) Air Unblockable 10f - 18f(hit) 22f(whiff) - ~+55 None Horizontal air unblockable hitgrab. Staple combo tool. Causes a ground bounce the first time it's used in a combo
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22M

Hoshispin (Vertical) 22M / 2S

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 99 Air Unblockable 15f - 12f(hit) ~30f(whiff) - +59 None Vertical air unblockable hitgrab that leads to a lengthy hard knockdown. Staple combo ender. Causes a very small ground bounce, which can be followed up on by certain specials such as 236L or 236H by using a Superchat Cancel. It's not recommended to do this though, as the small amount of extra damage is generally not worth your meter or the loss of okizeme potential.

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22H

Psycho Hoshispin 22H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 119 (20+99) Unblockable 20f - 12f(hit) ~30f(whiff) - +59f Projectile(1f-46f) Uses 1 bar of Star Power Projectile invulnerable Makes for a gimmicky reversal against some projectile-based oki, but its primary use is helping you blow through mid-range zoning. Reward on hit is the same as 22M
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22S

Selfish of a Rough Stone 22S File:IS Suisei 22S hitbox.png Similar to FADC from Street Fighter IV Similar to FADC from Street Fighter IV

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability - Mid - - - - - None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Has three stages. Upon reaching the third stage, Suisei summons 5 comets from the sky. Can be canceled into a forward or backdash at any point during the animation and retain the current charge level. The forward dash can additionally be canceled into any other singular normal, key word singular. Said move can not be cancelled into other normals or specials, so if you want to continue pressure or combo you must 2L and be 0 on block or 2C > jump cancel. Can be canceled into from other specials. 22S~6 can be as a way to use Star Power rather than a SCC to continue your turn or combo after moves like 236L. This is commonly referred to as "Idol Step" 22S~[6] takes 12f before the dash cancel itself. 5H/2M > 22S~[6] > 5M is a true blockstring. A short tech video by Frexia about 22S cancel: https://youtu.be/C6HOGX38Mdc. Do note the section on 5M is outdated.

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j.S

Stellar Slice j.S / j.236L / j.236M / j.236H Bandit Revolver! Bandit Revolver!

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 85 High 26f 6f 10f+until land +5~+9 +18 None A forward moving axe attack that looks similar to her 236M. Plus on block overhead that gives you a full combo on hit. When done low to the ground its a fantastic approach option, functioning like an instant airdash. Good combo fodder too. Overall a very strong move. Using L, M or H for this move will not affect its properties in any way. There is only one version of the move, but it can be done using any of the attack buttons for some reason. You cannot TK specials in this game. You may need to use the simple input (j.S) in order to do this move instantly in the air.

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Super Star Attack

SPACE for Virtual GHOST 236S File:IS Suisei 236S install hitbox.png The closest thing this game has to a taunt The closest thing this game has to a taunt	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability - - - - - - - None Installs the Aura to do the actual super. Completely disables the use of 22S (and thus idol step) until her 236S attack is used. Spend meter, lose options.
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SPACE for Virtual GHOST during install 236S File:IS Suisei 236S ground hitbox.png	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability - - - - - - - None long range dash with command grab. Unfortunately its not frame 1 and thus is jumpable on reaction after the superflash. Also no invulnerability so you cant even punish zoneing wit it
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SPACE for Virtual GHOST during install 22S File:IS Suisei 236S air hitbox.png	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability - - - - - - - None Antiair commandgrab
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Combos

Combo Notation Help
Disclaimer: Combos are written by different authors, so the notation used can vary from the standard one. For additional information on terminology for Idol Showdown or fighting games in general, please consult the Idol Showdown Glossary or the Fighting Game Glossary.
#X	Input writted with numpad notation for the direction/motion input followed by the action.
X > Y	X input is cancelled into Y.
X, Y	X input is linked to Y, meaning Y is done after X's recovery frames.
X~Y	This notation has two meanings: 1. Use attack X with followup Y. 2. Input X, and then within a few frames, input Y. Sometimes referred to as "kara cancelling".
[X]	Input X is held down.
{X}	Input is partially charged (as in, not tapped but not held to full charge either).
(X)	Input X is optional. Typically, the combo will be easier without this input.
X/Y	Choose between input X or input Y.
#jc	Jump cancel. The number (7, 8, or 9) indicates which direction the jump cancel should be input if it is important to the combo.
j.X	Jumping input X. X should be input while airborne.
dl.X	Delayed input X. There will be some delay before inputting X.
CH X	Counterhit with input X. This is used for combo starters that require counterhit confirm.
OTG X	Input X while the opponent is knocked down but still able to be hit.
X(n)	Number of hits of a multihit attack. If an attack is multihit and this is not specified, it is assumed to let the maximum number of hits complete before proceeding.
scc	Superchat Cancel. Idol Showdown unique mechanic that allows you to cancel the recovery of one special into another special.

Note: j.S can always be replaced with j.236X for SC meter gain, but it becomes really tight in some routes since TK motions are not present in the game.

Mid-screen

Combo	Difficulty	Damage	Cost	Meter Gain	Location
(2L) > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > j.S > 5L > 5M > 2H > 22M	Easy	273(2L), 345(2M)	0 bar	1.1(2L), 1.1(2M) Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easy midscreen route. Builds just enough meter for the Orb oki (214H). Delay 3H for consistency on further hits. Can replace 5L > 5M > 2H with dash 5H > 2H for more damage and similar meter. Recommended to input j.236X instead of j.S in this route due to the window being very generous.
(2L) > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5H/dl.2M > 2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Hard	295(2L), 371(2M)	0 bar	1.6(2L), 1.5(2M) Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Hard midscreen route (optimal damage so far). 5H link is much harder than dl.2M link. For the ending string, 5L must hit point blank so 5M doesn't whiff, and not hit too high so 2M doesn't whiff. In the ending string, if the opponent is entering the corner but not fully in it, some normals may whiff due to collision box jank - omit 2M in this case. 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswitch. If the corner is reached, j.S will always sideswitch - add j.M before j.S in this case.
(2L) > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5H > 2H > 9jc > j.M > j.S > dl.6H > (walk back >) 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M		303(2L), 383(2M)	0 bar	1.8(2L), 1.7(2M) Opp: ?%	Near Corner
Near corner adjustments that can be applied to most starters. The corner reliant pieces are j.M > j.S and 6H (bounce) > 5L. If the last 6H is not delayed enough, walk back before 5L to keep the corner. Recommended to input j.236X instead of j.S for all j.M > j.S routes.
2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S > dash > dl.6H > dl.3H > 22L > (dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M)/(5H) > 2H > 22M		355/367	0 bar	1.2/0.9 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Anti-Air Combo. 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswitch.
2L > 2M > 5M > 5L > (2M >) 5M > 5L > 5M > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5L > 2L > 5H > 2H > 7jc/9jc > dl.j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Medium	239 (244)	0 bar	2.3 (2.4) Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easier metergain combo. If not starting point blank, often required to omit the 2M in parentheses. 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswitch.
2L > 2M > 5M > 5L > 2M > 5M > 5L > dl.5M > 5L > 2M > 5H > 6H > 5L > 5M > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > dash > 2L > 2H > 7jc/9jc > dl.j.S > dash > 2L > 2H > 22M		247	0 bar	2.6 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Harder metergain combo. Route assumes point blank start. Relies on 6H hitting late so that a 5L link is possible. Can be incredibly inconsistent when starting point blank with dash momentum. 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswitch.
2M > 236L > 22S~6 > 5M > 5L > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5H > 2H > 7jc/9jc > j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M		297	1 bar	1.7 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easier metered confirm from 2M. May require a slightly delayed 22S for the slight forward movement if 2M hit at max range.
2M > 236L > 22S~6 > 2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S > dash > dl.6H > dl.3H > 22L > (5L > 2L > 2M > 5M)/(5H) > 2H > 22M		320/322	1 bar	1.4/1.1 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Harder metered confirm from 2M. Range consistent and higher damage, but lower metergain.

Corner

Combo	Difficulty	Damage	Cost	Meter Gain	Location
(2L) > 2M > 5H > 6H > dash > dl.6H > dl.3H > 22L > dash > 2M > 5M > 5H > 2H > 9jc > j.M > j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M		309(2L), 389(2M)	0 bar	2.0(2L), 1.9(2M) Opp: ?%	Corner
Main corner route. While optional, adding dashes builds a small amount of meter. Recommended to input j.236X instead of j.S for all j.M > j.S routes.
2L > 2M > 5M > 5L > 5M > 5H > 214M > dash > 2L > 2M > 5M > 5L > 5M > 5H > 214M > dash > 2L > 5L > 2M > 3H > 22L > j.M > dash > 6H > 214{L} > 6H > 2H > 7jc > dl.j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 2H > 22M		266	0 bar	3.0 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Corner metergain combo. Notable for not only building 3 Star bars but also building a Superchat bar. Very hard to keep corner after j.S when dashing before the second 6H or when inputting j.S as j.236X.

Theory

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Grounded hit starters:

• Midscreen buttons > 5H > (dl.)6H > dl.3H/dl.2H > etc.
  • Always delay 3H/2H for consistency, 6H only needs to be delayed off specific spacings (e.g. max range 5L), doesn't work off max range 5H even with delays.
• Corner buttons > 5H > 6H > dash > dl.6H > dl.3H/2H > etc.
  • The wallbounce on 6H allows for another 6H for more damage.
  • While optional, adding a dash builds a small amount of meter.

Far grounded hit:

• Requires resources.
• Max range 2M only combos into 236L
• 2M > 236L >
  • 22S~6 > 5M > 5L > etc.
    • 236L forces standing so the 5M > 5L link is always possible.
    • Costs 1 bar, from max range 2M it may be necessary to delay 22S for the slight forward movement or else 5M may whiff.
  • 22S~6 > 2H > etc.
    • Costs 1 bar, goes into standard routing.
  • 236M > 22L > etc.
    • Costs 2 SCCs, goes into standard routing.
    • 236M has to be done quite quickly, otherwise it may not combo.
    • Practical as Suisei rarely needs to SCC.

5M > 5L loops: 5M can link into 5L if hit on a standing opponent, and the forward movement on 5M allows this to be looped.

• Requires a standing opponent so its mainly used after moves that force a standing state (2L and 236L).
• Leads to lower damage due to reaching minimum scaling very early, however it allows for high meter build midscreen (corner routes already build enough).

Combo extenders:

• 3H > 22L
  • Ideal way to lead into 22L, can be set up on air hit with a low 5H or 6H.
  • Midscreen, go into either delayed 2M (ease) or 5H (damage).
  • In the corner always go into 2M as 5H > 2H still works even after doing M normals.
• Midscreen 2H > 7jc/9jc > dl.j.S
  • Main way to go into j.S, going into it directly from 22L will lose lots of damage.
  • Go into either 6H to extend a combo, or an ending string.
  • Too little delay will either make j.S whiff or have it sideswap even with 7jc, too much delay will allow the opponent to block.
  • 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswap. In the corner this piece will always sideswap.
• Corner 2H > 9jc > j.S
  • The corner wallbounce on j.M results in this easier piece that also does more damage.
• Corner 2H > 8jc > dl.j.M
  • Rare combo piece used when j.S has been used but not j.M. Can land and go into a standard ending string.
• Corner 6H (wallbounce)
  • On a grounded hit (i.e. in a starting string), generally goes into another 6H.
  • On an air hit, can link into basically anything, but generally goes either into 5H > dl.3H > 22L, or an ending string.

Combo enders (after 22L or j.S):

• (22L > 5H)/(j.S > 6H) > 2H > 22M
  • Most damaging ender only when not at super low scaling yet (rare after fully optimized combos).
• 22L/j.S > dash > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M
  • Higher damage after full combos due to minimum damage scaling, and also builds the most meter.
  • Does work at any screen position, but 5L should hit point blank (hence the dash) so 5M doesn't whiff, and not too high so 2M doesn't whiff.
  • If the opponent is entering the corner but not fully in it, 5M may whiff due to collision box jank, hence omit it in this case.

Corner 214[L] LVL2 Route:

• you can combo into a LVL2 charged 214[A] in the corner
• 22L > jM > 6H > 214[L] > ...
  • you have to charge 214[L] for around 50 Frames
    • Suisei scribbles on her notepad the pen will she will somewhat write down lines and you can se a visible cut in the animation when the pen resets to a new line
      • you have to let a bit (around 10 frames) after she finishes the first line
    • this is also audible there is a small gap between the scribble sounds you will have to let go a bit (ca 10 frames) after that
  • you can combo with TKj236X or the usual grounded normals

236S:

• Can add it after grounded hit 3H and continue with a SCC 22L.
• While it is possible to combo into 22S, its lack of minimum damage means it rarely does meaningful damage for its cost (19 damage at 0.05x scaling).

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Combo Notation Help
Disclaimer: Combos are written by different authors, so the notation used can vary from the standard one. For additional information on terminology for Idol Showdown or fighting games in general, please consult the Idol Showdown Glossary or the Fighting Game Glossary.
#X	Input writted with numpad notation for the direction/motion input followed by the action.
X > Y	X input is cancelled into Y.
X, Y	X input is linked to Y, meaning Y is done after X's recovery frames.
X~Y	This notation has two meanings: 1. Use attack X with followup Y. 2. Input X, and then within a few frames, input Y. Sometimes referred to as "kara cancelling".
[X]	Input X is held down.
{X}	Input is partially charged (as in, not tapped but not held to full charge either).
(X)	Input X is optional. Typically, the combo will be easier without this input.
X/Y	Choose between input X or input Y.
#jc	Jump cancel. The number (7, 8, or 9) indicates which direction the jump cancel should be input if it is important to the combo.
j.X	Jumping input X. X should be input while airborne.
dl.X	Delayed input X. There will be some delay before inputting X.
CH X	Counterhit with input X. This is used for combo starters that require counterhit confirm.
OTG X	Input X while the opponent is knocked down but still able to be hit.
X(n)	Number of hits of a multihit attack. If an attack is multihit and this is not specified, it is assumed to let the maximum number of hits complete before proceeding.
scc	Superchat Cancel. Idol Showdown unique mechanic that allows you to cancel the recovery of one special into another special.

Suisei has a very modular combo structure that allows her to build her routes based on the situation and easily adapt them to spacing, meter and damage requirements, as well as difficulty in execution. Most routes aim to end in a 22M knockdown because it's the best move to setup the Orb oki, and it's important to consider when to sacrifice damage in favor of building enough meter for 214H (The Orb). In addition, when assembling together the combo blocks it's necessary to prevent the route from triggering IPS.

Example Combos

Combo	Difficulty	Damage	Cost	Meter Gain	Location
2M > 5H > 6H > 2H > 22M	Beginner	282	0 bar	0.6 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Beginner-oriented combo that leads to a knockdown but doesn't build 1 bar, relying on previously built meter for oki. If you are new to fighting games, this is a good starting point.
2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L, j.S, 5L > 5M > 2H > 22M	Easy	345	0 bar	1.1 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easy midscreen route. Builds just enough meter for the Orb oki (214H). Delay 3H for consistency on farther hits. The input window for j.S is very generous, making it easy to input j.236X.
236M scc 236H, dl.6H > 2H > 22L, j.S, 6H > 2H > 22M	Easy	480	1 bar, 1 SC	0.4 Opp: ?%	Midscreen
Easy metered confirm off of 236M.
2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L, 5H > 2H > 8jc j.M > j.S, 6H > 2H > 22M	Medium	372	0 bar	1.3 Opp: ?%	Near Corner
Near corner adjustment for the standard routing. The main difficulty in this route is the 22L, 5H link.
2L > 2M > 5M, 5L > (2M) > 5M, 5L > 5M > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L, 5L > 2L > 5H > 2H > 7jc/9jc dl.j.S, 66 > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Medium	239 (244)	0 bar	2.3 (2.4) Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easier metergain combo. If not starting point blank, often required to omit the 2M in parentheses. 7jc for sameside, 9jc for sideswitch.
2L > 2M > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5H > 2H > 7jc dl.j.S, 66 > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Hard	295	0 bar	1.6 Opp: ?%	Midscreen
Hard midscreen route (optimal damage so far). For the ending string, 5L must hit point blank so 5M doesn't whiff, and not hit too high so 2M doesn't whiff. In the ending string, if the opponent is entering the corner but not fully in it, some normals may whiff due to collision box jank - omit 2M in this case.
2H > 7jc dl.j.S, 66 > dl.6H > dl.3H > 22L > 5H > 2H > 22M	Hard	367	0 bar	0.9 Opp: ?%	Midscreen
Hard Anti-Air combo. Since the combo starts from the launcher it doesn't reach min scaling making 5H > 2H more damaging than longer strings.
2M > 236L > 22S~6 > 5M >, 5L > 5H > 6H > dl.3H > 22L, 5H > 2H > 7jc j.S > 66 > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Hard	297	1 bar	1.7 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Easier metered confirm from 2M. May require a slightly delayed 22S for the slight forward movement if 2M hit at max range.
2M > 236L > 22S~6 > 2H > 7/9jc dl.j.S, 66 > dl.6H > dl.3H > 22L, 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 2H > 22M	Hard	320	1 bar	1.4 Opp: ?%	Anywhere
Harder metered confirm from 2M. Range consistent and higher damage, but lower metergain.

Structure

Note: j.S can always be replaced with j.236X for SC meter gain, but it becomes really tight in some routes since TK motions are not present in the game.
Note: One or more moves inside "()" mean that those moves are optional and can be skipped without breaking the combo.

Starters

Most starters aim to confirm into 6H, from which various extension are possible in Midscreen or Corner.

Meterless Starters:

Anywhere

• (2L/5L) > 2M/5M > 5H > 6H
  • Basic grounded starter, leads to normal routing.
  • 5M leads to less damage, but can be easier to execute off of 5L.
  • Might need to delay the 6H at longer 2M ranges.
• 2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S
  • Anti-Air starter, leads to normal routing.
  • 7jc will stay on the same side while 9jc will sideswitch.
• 2H > 22L
  • A much easier conversion off of anti-air that leads into usual routing after 22L. May cause problems with the IPS if you attempt longer combos after this.
• 2L > 2M > 5M > 5L > (2M >) 5M > 5L > 5M > 2M > 5H > 6H
  • Meterbuild-focused starter, sacrifices damage for the whole combo in favor of building meter.
• (5H) > 236M
  • Harder to connect starter due to slower and unsafe moves.
  • Midscreen can lead to the highest damaging Suisei routes.
  • Can still transition to normal routing.

Metered Starters:

Anywhere

Idol Step (22S~6)

• (2M) > 236L > 22S~6 > 5M > 5L > 5H > 6H
  • Main way to confirm a long range poke (2M/236L) into normal routing.
  • Requires one bar of meter.
• (2M) > 236L scc 236M
  • Easier confirm for long range pokes.
  • Confirms directly into 22L, see combo extensions to continue the routing from here.
  • Requires 1 bar of Superchat meter, but Suisei doesn't otherwise use it often.

Extensions

Combo extensions aim to get a knockup to confirm into 22L, and then extend against the opp while they are juggling.

Meterless Extensions:

Anywhere

• [from 6H] > dl.3H > 22L
  • Most effective extension for damage.
  • Can be extended further before the ender.
• [from 6H] > dl.2H > 22L
  • Easier but less damaging extension.
  • Doesn't connect at longer ranges.
  • Can be extended further before the ender.
• [from 22L] > dl.j.S
  • Simplest extension from 22L right into j.S.
  • If j.S is inputted too early it will result in a scc, but the combo will not drop, making it suitable for beginners.
• [from 22L/j.S] > land > 5H/dl.2M
  • Short extension that leads directly into the ender.
  • Can be necessary when the route would trigger IPS otherwise.
• [from j.S] > land > 6H
  • Easy extension that leads to the ender.
  • Can result in the route not building enough meter for the oki if starting with 0 bars.
• [from j.S] > land > 5L > 5M
  • Easy extension that leads to the ender.
  • Sacrifices a bit of damage for meterbuilding, required in easier routes to get to 1 bar for oki.
• [from j.S] > land > 5L > 2L > 2M > 5M > 5H
  • Higher damaging alternative that leads to the ender.
  • Might not be viable when using a 2M in previous extensions due to IPS if the route started from 2M.

Midscreen

• [from 22L] > land > 5H/dl.2M > 2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S
  • Harder but higher damage extension from 22L.
  • The 5H link is much harder than the dl.2M one.
  • 7jc will stay on the same side while 9jc will sideswitch.

Corner

Corner extension route example

• [from 6H] > 6H
  • 6H wallbounces in the corner, and it can be looped into itself for some extra damage.
  • Yes that's all that's the extension.
• [from 22L] > land > 5H/dl.2M > 2H > jc > j.5M > j.S
  • Corner version of the midscreen hard extension.
  • Easier execution than its midscreen counterpart.
  • The 5H link is much harder than the dl.2M one.

Metered Extensions

Anywhere

• [from 236M] scc 22L
  • Easy way to get into normal routing from 236M.
• [from 236L/236M] > 22S~6 > 2H > 7/9jc > dl.j.S
  • Metered confirm off of 236L/M, leading into normal routing
  • Can be used in corner after 236M since the 236H extension does not work.
  • 7jc will stay on the same side while 9jc will sideswitch.

Midscreen

• [from 236M] scc 236H > 6H
  • Metered extension leading into normal routing.
  • Highest damage extension for Suisei.
  • Doesn't work in corner due to 236H dropping immediately.

Enders

Suisei enders aim to get a hard knockdown with 22M in order to setup the oki and unplug her opponent's controller begin her setplay game.
Note: "[any normal]" refers to any normal except 3M.

Meterless Enders:

Anywhere

• [any normal] > 2H > 22M
  • Easy and straightforward ender leading to the perfect oki setup.
  • Honestly all Suisei needs to start her setplay game.

Strategy

Oki

22M gives you hard knockdown the best oki after it is 214H you can either SCC it or not which will give you slightly different options

TLDR:

• 22M or 236G for HKD
• 66>214H>...
  • ...>9jA IOH
  • ...>2L low
• 66>dl.214H/214H>66>
  • also allows commandgrab

Basics of 214H oki:

• 2L low >
• 2M low >
• 9jL IOH > land > 2M >
• 9jH crossup > 2L/M
• 9jH[4] sameside > 2L/M
• tk9S overhead
• 9dljS wiff into crossup 2L low

Depending on when you do the 214H and if you micro dash before it your options might change

22M

• 22M>214H
  • you are somewhat further away after this one you can then dash up and act before 214H hits
    • this leaves a gap to get hit by an invul reversal but if they mash a normal they will get hit by the orb and you can combo even if it trades
  • >dash throw/commandthrow
    • normal throw might be better midscreen since they will waekup and still get hit by the last 2 hits of the 214H projectile
  • >9>jH crossup
  • >9[4]>jH sameside>sameside 2L
  • >9[4]>jH sameside>crossup 2L
    • if you crossup after the jC mostly depends an the amount of back drift
  • 50/50 high low mix
    • dash > 2L low > stuff
    • dash > 9jL IOH > 2L/M

• 22M>microdash>214H
  • 214H will hit meaty so you cant throw
    • >9[4]>jH crossup
    • you cant drift enought o make jH not crossup
  • 50/50 high low mix
    • 2L low > Stuff
    • 9jL IOH>land>2M
    • 2L>dl9jL low into IOH but you cant combo after it so only for when 61 damage kills
    • 2L>2H can Pressure can lead to all the fun 2H pressure

• 22M>microdash>dl>214H
  • will leave a gap again so you can throw here

Tetris oki 236G commandgrab also gives you enough Advantage to setup 214H

• 236G>214H will hit meaty but you are somewhat far away

• 236G>microdash>214H
  • same oki as 22B>microdash>214H

• 236G>dl214H
  • same oki as 22B>214H
  • do 214H around when they hit the ground after the bounce

Meterless oki

• 66>214[L]
  • only slightly charge the 214L
  • hits meaty if charge time is correct
    • botan can't shopingcart out of it!
    • invul reversals beat it on the 214L recovery
• 66>dl.214L
  • should work the same as above
• 66>(w)214L
  • WARNING gimmicky!
  • whiffs so you can do a commandgrab if you have made them respect the normal oki
  • missing scribble sound might give it away!
  • might be fuzzy mashable!
• 214[M]>
  • hit meaty but you are somewhat to far away to do stuff
  • 2M can combo but its longrange so only 236L is viable
  • tkJS for plusframes but it is 2H mashable even if they get hit by the projectile!
  • has some wierd interactions with invul reversals
    • korones 22H will wiff even if you charege a bit to long
    • ayames 22H will punish the 214M if not done perfectly!
• 214M>
  • WARNING gimmicky!
  • whiffs so you can do a commandgrab if you have made them respect the normal oki
  • baits invul reversals by just holding 1 after

Pressure

Suisei's Pressure can be oppressive if she manages to get close

• she has great tools for staggering
• a lot of ways to reset pressure
• and also tools to make people pay if they start anticipating the resets instead of reacting to them
• she can make any blockstring safe

TLDR

• 5L>2L +0!
• 5L>5M>...
  • ...>5L>5M
  • ...> staggered Nomals
  • ...> Commandgrab
• 2H>jc.jS for + Frames
• 6H to close back the gap if you spaced to far for 2H
• 214L/M > dash Pressure reset
• 236L to make Blockstring save but lose your turn
• 22S~6 > to reset Pressure

5L>2L

• 2L is 0 on block but has very short range
• 5L is -3 but moves forward and has a bit more range
• so you have an advancing string that is neutral on block and still can be delay canceled for frametraps
  • Loop it into itself (if yous tarted very close) go for a dl.2M/5M to mix in frametraps, or use command throw

5M

• 5M is 7F advancing and -2 on Block
• also a very good button in stagger pressure with a lot of cancel options
• follow up options are very ambiguous so its a good point to reset the pressure
• you will probably be in 5L range

2H

• probably the best button to route to for non stagger pressure
  • it's jump cancelable so you have a lot of options here
  • if done before 6H it can still be cancelled into 5H if it's open
• 2H>(dl.)5H
  • true blockstring if canceled immediately else it can frametrap
  • will beat them mashing if they expected a jumpcancel option
• jc.Stuff
  • 7jc.jS> overhead into + Frames
  • 7jc.dl.jS> overhead crossup into + Frames
    • timing it pretty specific if you do it to late jS will wiff!
  • 9([4])jc.dl.jH> "crossup" overhead
    • if you just do 9 jH might whiff
  • 9[4]jc.dl.jH> sameside overhead > crossup low
    • hold 4 immediately after jumping and do jH a bit earlier
  • 8[6]jc.jH> sameside overhead
  • 7 wait for a whiffed 2H then j236X (might not work on all of the cast)
    • if you do j236X early you might whiff crouchers and low 2H hurtboxes like Botan
    • if you do it late (on whe way down) you might not be able to punish anymore (test if botan just beats it)
  • all of the jc stuff can be mashed out of most of the time even by 2H
  • you will have to make them actually react to the jump cancel and not just mash by mixing in 5H/6H frametraps
• 214X > Pressure
  • see below
• dl.236L Frametrap
• 22S>6>...

>5H

• hurtbox is atrocious, DO NOT USE UNLESS CANCELED INTO!
• has a lot of blockstun
  • has even more recovery
• gigantic cancel window
• probably the best button to do a 22S>6 cancel from
• Cancels into 6H and 2H for a continued blocksting
• dl.6H, dl.2H for frametraps
• probably the best point for a 236M
  • 236M is somewhat reactable
• mix in 3H for a low
  • 3H can be hard to hitconfirm since you need a very fast 22L
  • 22L should not be buffered! it will kill you if they block.

6H

• forward advancing with a lot of startup and active frames
  • its often a natural frametrap
  • natural frametrap with a VERY small gap from 2H
• true blockstring form 5H
• can only be cancelled to 2H and 3H
  • will lock you out of any other normals afterwards!
• probably the best thing is to go to 2H and use the followups from that
• will send the opponent flying from counterhit
  • probably not the best thing to have happen if you are not close to the corner

236L

• it will make all pressure safe but to be neutral it needs to be spaced very far
  • you cant really do a blockstring into the safe version!

214X

• is in general a good option to reset pressure
• both options are mashable by most B normals but its somewhat hard to do it on reaction
  • will then most likely trade
• what you can get off it is somewhat space dependent
  • you can normalize the spacing with advancing normals like 5L, 5M, 5H and esspecially 6H and 3M
• in general 214L hits later and is somewhat mashable although it will trade with most stuff
• 214M hits earlier but also causes more pushback
• here are some ideas for pressure resets:
• 214L
• 214L>dash>(dl).5L or dl.236G command grab
• >214L>5L>(w2L)>2M/5H>...
  • when you are very close or moving forward so mostly after (5L)>5M, close 5H or 6H
  • you have to hit the 5L during teh beginning of the 214L blockstun
  • 2M will be nearly a true blockstring 5H will be a frametrap
  • 5M will whiff on crouch block after 5L or 5L>(w2L) so you can't reliably use it there
  • in the corner you can nearly always go for 5L>2L
  • 2L(w) is a F-Ciel style bootleg rebeat (don't know if it is useful at all but it is funny!)
    • 5L>2L(w)> kara command throw (236M~G) seems to be possible but the timing and spacing is very strict
      • microwalk command throw 23[6].dlG seems to be a bit more consistent
  • you can microwalk after the 214L to make 5L>2L connect but timing is pretty tight
• 214M
  • hits earlier then 214M so you are not ready for a 5L/M while they are still in range
  • 214M > dash 5L/Command throw
  • follow up buttons that hit are 2M, 5H, 6H, 3M
    • from 2M and 5H you need to go into a special or 6H
  • double 214M
    • stuff>3H>214M>2M/5H>214M>dl.236L
    • spaces 236L so that it is less negative or even 0(testing needed!)
    • might be hard to enforce pressure since the gaps for the 214M are pretty large
• 214X>TKjS
  • this will look nearly indistinguishable form 236M but it is +
  • somewhat reactable

Specific Pressure Strings

• Corner 5M>5H>214M Blocksting loops
• has very small gaps between 5H>214M and 214M>5M
  • not mashable!
  • they need to use a invuln reversal or a collab to get out
  • it is actually quite hard to buffer a reversal in this string
  • might interact differently with some moves (testing needed!)
    • Sora 22M will just beat it!

Closing Thoughts

• Very delayed stagger pressure is somewhat succeptible to chicken blocking
  • you might be able to do 22L on reaction if you got them blocking in the air!

ToDos:

• check jc.jS against 7Frame buttons that AA! can they just mash those?
• Check against wich 2H mash we lose against when doing 6H>2H followups with everything but 236L frametrap or block, against which chars cant we even block
• test 2H>7 wait for wiff 2H then j236X against all characters
• stuff>3H>214M>2M/5H>214M>dl.236L test if we can steal back our turn here or do we still lose in the 5F wars
• test Corner 5M>5H>214M Blocksting loops which reversals and buttons let people escape
  • or dont and let them find out themselves^^

Defense

TLDR

• no invul reversals!
• 5L best abare button!
• 2L rather bad since 6F and low range!
• 2M if they use a spaced special move
• Collabs can be your best defensive tools

Suisei does not have a real full invul reversal so defense can be tough.
The saving grace is somewhat 2M if they end a Blockstring and then try to do a special that is slow enough you can often mash out with it (eg. most of botans specials lose or at worst trade)
Other good abare buttons are 5L and 5M since they move forward and are fast.
2L is a slightly bad abare button since its only 6F and has very short range.

You can also use a Collab Partner when the enemy leaves gaps in the sting.
Especially Superchat Collab, basically free since you dont have to let go of 1 and just mash til there is a gap
A good example is Roboco: Both of her Call-ins can be used defensively in the corner.
The laser should leave you plus even if they block.
If they want to not get hit by the missiles, they have to move forward into you which will most likely give you an opportunity to throw or mash out.
Might not work against characters that can pressure form further away like Aki
Also she is offscreen when she fires the missiles in the corner so your opponent might not realize that you called her and stay offensive.
Your Collab Choice should take usefulness as a defensive tool into consideration.

Matchups

Vs. Aki

• 2M can catch her during her pressure if she is too predictable with the 214M (stomp call-in) resets

Vs. Ayame

Matchup Advice goes here

Vs. Botan

• 3M low profiles some parts of her 2C
• most of her specials after a Blockstring that ends with 2H will lose to 2M unless she instantly cancels into low sniper.
• 3M can low profile j.2H
  • Will often hit the Botan airborne or counterhit, so buffering 22L might be a good idea to get a combo
• 22L can catch Botans that try to abuse j2H in Neutral
• 22L hops over rolling grenade and will not get hit by a high grenade following it, but doing this too predictably is exploitable as you are still stuck in 22L recovery.
  • ToDo; test 22L against 2 consecutive rolling grenades

Vs. Coco

• 236M wins against her dinosaur grab
• Using 236L in blockstrings is dangerous as it puts you in range of her 236G command grab at -2~0.
• 214L/M in strings is dangerous for similar reasons, her command grab doesnt trade with the fireball so it gives her a free opportunity to 236G you.

Vs. Fubuki

• Fubuki 22H can trade with 214H mixups in her favor as it launches Suisei back when the first hit connects, resetting to neutral. Giving up oki to bait vs Fubuki players aware of this is recommended
• 3M low profiles her 5M
• 3M low profiles fireballs
• Punish tatsus / jS with 2M

Vs. Korone

• 3M low profiles her 5M (at long range)
• 3M low profiles the fireballs
• you can relatively consistently do 22H into her "infinite" 5M>236X blocksting during the Fireball parts
  • Buffer 22 after/during 5M and then react to the 236X

Vs. Sora

• Sora 22M reflects 214H and can be used as a reversal vs non-meaty EX Comet oki setups, particularly after command grab. Make sure you meaty her even if you need to give up a mixup.
• 22M in general can invalidate a lot of 214X stuff also in pressure, dont be to predictable with it!
• Sora 236L note bobs up and down so sliding under it with 3M requires much more precision than vs other characters. Not recommended if the option can be avoided.
• 236L at the end of her standard blockstrings will trade with your 2M but not in your favor.

Vs. Suisei

• 8-2 Suisei favored for whoever gets the first hit. Trust no one, not even yourself.
• Good luck being on the receiving end of your own oki lol.
• When Suisei routes into 22L, bursting here will sideswitch her. This is useful when you are cornered as it will put her in the corner instead of launching her away.
  • Bursting her IOH setups on hit has the same effect.
• You can fuzzy mash 5L>5M after 6H>2H this will punish jS, 214X and trying to reset it will lose to 236L
  • you should still be able to block or even 2H a jC
• Blocking jS while you are airborn youself massively reduces the frameadvantage chickenblocking after 6H>2H is not a bad idea

External Resources

• Twitter Tech: #ISD_SUI

Colors

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Cosplay 3

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Cosplay 5

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