Idol Showdown/Suisei Hoshimachi

Last Updated to Version 1.2.3

Stellar Stylish Idol - Saikou Pressure

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Introduction

Suisei is a rushdown setplay character who excels at locking her opponent down with powerful okizeme and strong mixup tools.

In neutral, she has a few strong normals like 2M, a really useful low poke that can be converted off into a full combo - albeit requiring meter outside of point blank range - and 5M being so plus it can link back into 5L. While she can have a hard time approaching her opponent, 236L and j.236X are solid tools - with 236L leading to a scary strike/throw situation even on block - and 3M can slide below some projectiles, although at the price of not being comboable unless on counterhit. Her 214L/M can disrupt the offense of more melee-focused characters, with the M version mostly useful for zoning purposes and 214L being a great way to get back your turn even if the opponent gets close. In addition, a 5f command grab makes her strike/throw game scary to deal with.
However, it's when she gets in that Suisei really shines. Her 214H eats through reversals and can lead to taking back the turn even on trades even on trades. By varying the time at which the Orb (214H) hits, various mixup options open to her - high/low, crossup/no crossup, meaty/throw.

On the flipside, when forced to play defensive Suisei doesn't have many options outside of blocking and trying to punish any unsafe string from her opponent. Furthermore, her lack of long range projectiles or invulnerable approaches - outside of the projectile invulnerability of 22H, which is not always a viable option - makes it hard for Suisei to deal with heavy zoning without spending meter for collabs.

すいせいはガン攻めとセットプレイのファイターだ。

Playstyle

Suisei is a rushdown setplay character with explosive high risk, high reward neutral skip tools and powerful projectile okizeme. Boasting great normals for stagger pressure, and an amazing command grab, she's a close range killer who's no slouch at the midrange game either.

Pick if you like

Avoid if you dislike

Incredible Okizeme: 214H is extremely advantageous on block and eats reversals, allowing you to do pretty much whatever you want on the opponent’s wakeup when used in proper setups. Deadly Mix-ups: When using said 214H setups, you get both high/low AND left/right mix. Even if they survive your setplay, you still have a command grab for them to worry about. Well-Rounded Offense: 2L is perfect for tick throws and stagger pressure. Both options lead to great reward. Her command grab gives her decent oki, and she gets her best mixups off almost every hit with 22M ender. Unique Cancel Options: Suisei uniquely has access to a metered dash cancel technique called Idol Step that improves both her combo and pressure game. Good Meter Build Potential: When optimized, Suisei’s combos give her plenty of bar to use and abuse her plethora of powerful metered options.

Blocking: Other than system mechanics and a 5f jab, Suisei is completely lacking defensive tools. Once on the backfoot, its difficult for her to get out without making sacrifices. Struggling Against Zoning: While she isn’t lacking in tools to force her way through neutral, characters with strong projectiles and full screen presence are very problematic for her. Dependence on Resources: While her oki is still good without 214H, she can’t guarantee a true 50/50 and beat reversals at the same time without it. She also needs bar for Idol Step cancels.

Recommended Collabs

Note: As this section of the page was written shortly after the game was released, its only purpose is to help guide new players towards assists that are generally considered useful for the character, and should be revised by an experienced player as the game develops more. Don't be afraid to pick and try something else!

• Roboco

• Roboco is one of the most well-rounded collab choices for Suisei. While her missiles are not particularly impactful on her due to her oki game being already solid, having 3 bars max SC is pretty useful to convert into the standard routing from alternative starters, and for her damage routes. But where Robo really shines is with her 214S, the beam. This fullscreen super compensates for Suisei's lack of long range attacks, and can be used as a guaranteed punish against projectiles, giving Suisei a straightforward way to get out of zoning situations. It is also possible to use it defensively to stop the opponent's pressure, and offensively to combo off it for >600 damage routes.

• Miko

• Suisei's business partner, Miko, trades neutral utility for strong collabs on offense and defense that are easy to use. Miko's tripping collab can force opponents off of you and back to neutral. If they get stuck blocking, it complements Suisei's already powerful strike/throw game. Her lava bucket collab can be used after 236L to lock opponents down for mix-ups. The lava won't let you convert off of any hits on its own, but it gives you time to sneak in some damage and also set up a fully charged 214[L] into a real high/low threat. You can even fully charge 22S if you're feeling cheeky (though you won't gain SC for it).

Stats

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HP: 1000
Backdash: 17F (1~10F Grab Invuln)
Movement Speed: Slow

Moves

Standing Normals

5L

5L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 35 Mid 5 3 6 -3 +4 None Jab. Suisei's fastest normal. More range than 2L, moves her forward.
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5M

5M Dab Dab

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 50 Mid 7 5 11 -2 +5 None Great button. A high hitting advancing mid that whiffs on crouching opponents at longer ranges. Surprisingly active. Links back into 5L for high meter build loops. Incredible for stagger pressure. The high hitbox for this move is gigantic, covering Suisei's entire arm without exposing any of her hurtbox. Great panic anti-air even if it is air blockable.

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5H

5H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 90 Mid 15 2 30 -7 -3 None Chunky horizontal axe swing. Awful recovery and startup make it ill-suited for use in neutral. High damage makes it useful combo fodder.
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Crouching Normals

2L

2L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 30 Low, Air Unblockable 6 2 11 0 +4 None Incredibly stubby jab. Mostly inferior to 5L for abare purposes, but being even (0) on block makes it useful for tick throwing. Forces standing on hit, making combos more consistent.
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2M

2M Your best friend in neutral Your best friend in neutral	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 60 Low, Air Unblockable 8 4 15 -7 +3 None Amazing low poke thats quite fast for its range. Insanely disjointed and does not extend her hurtbox at all. Suisei's lack of good low commitment pokes other than this make her very reliant on it.
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2H

2H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 85 Mid, Air Unblockable 10 3 16 -13 +5 Head(6f-13f) Air unblockable launcher. Not much horizontal range compared to other 2Hs making it harder to use consistently as an anti-air.
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3H

3H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 100 Low, Air Unblockable 13 3 20 -12 +41 None Short sweep. Hard Knockdown.
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Jumping Normals

j.L

j.L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 25 High 7 5 Until Landing + 3 - - None Standard j.L. Mostly used for instant overheads - it can be confirmed into a full combo during 214H/214[L] oki or by using assists, for example j.L > j.S > Risu 214S.
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j.M

j.M	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 55 High 9 4 Until Landing + 4 - - None Strictly horizontal gunshot. Wallbounces on hit, enables combo extensions in the corner but hurts its utility as an air to air.
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j.H

j.H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 90 High 10 4 Until Landing + 5 - - None A j.H with an ok crossup hitbox. Your main jump-in most of the time.
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Command Normals

3M

3M You got this trying to input dash 2M, didn't you? You got this trying to input dash 2M, didn't you?

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 50 Low 12 3 10 -8 -4 None Low profile slide, goes under most mid height fireballs and quite a lot of mid height normals. Reward on non-counterhit is absolutely terrible, you can only really combo into 236S install. However, on counterhit it combos into 236L and oddly 22L depending on spacing. 22L being the better choice as it grants you a full meterless conversion. Despite being a slide it does not have meaningful variable framedata Incredibly low recovery, whiffing this move is surprisingly safe

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6H

6H Sui-ssor Kick! Sui-ssor Kick!

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 95 Mid 19 3 18 -9~-7 +4 None Not an overhead. Wallbounces on counterhit, even in a trade. Being an advancing normal its very useful for combo conversions and if hit late, it can combo into 5L Being an advancing normal, and being able to cancel so late into its long recovery frames, this move is surprisingly good in blockstrings. With enough conditioning, you can even throw people after this move despite being double digits minus.

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Throw

Throw L+M

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 160 - 7 2 14 - +31 None Total Frames: 22 While it may seem pointless to ever consider normal throw over her command grab, it has only about a fifth as much recovery on whiff in comparison. This makes it a much safer option against opponents who have shown you they are willing to gamble on jumping out of your strings to escape it. Can be kara'd off of 5M with 6/4M~L plink to increase its range.

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Overhead

Overhead M+H Uses the same sprite as j.L Uses the same sprite as j.L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 60 High 25 3 24 -4 -2 (6~35) Grab Universal standing overhead. You have better mixups than this. No cancel options, being quite reactable, and being minus on hit (lol) limits its usefulness outside of when you only need to hit a sleeping opponent once to kill. You can kara into this, but why?
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Special Attacks

236L

Wicked Slice 236L / 5S

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 65 Mid 13 5 21 -2~+2 +3~+7 None Big horizontal, advancing axe swing that is very safe on block or plus at max range. Decent counterpoke. Quite fast for its large range. On hit forces standing, and puts you in a better spot to continue running offense. Cancelled with 22S~6 however, it allows for a pressure reset or a 5M 5L link combo.

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236M

Starry Slice 236M / 6S Greed Sever! Greed Sever!

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 161 (80+81) High 23 5 (first hit) Until Landing + 13 -11 +30 None Advancing airborne overhead that knocks down on hit and high profiles lows. Very unsafe on block without a cancel. Amazing damage potential as a combo starter. Can be SSC'd to jS to attempt to make it plus on block, but this is a knowledge check as there's a gap between the two where you can DP or even 2H on some characters.

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236H

Heart Harvest 236H

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 179 (125+27+27) Mid 13 6 (first hit) 18 -14 +6(ground) +76(air) None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Has two versions depending on if the opponent was hit grounded or airborne. Grounded opponents are sideswapped on hit, but is generally not useful for the price as the opponent can tech. Airborne opponents are bounced off the wall back into Suisei, making for a good combo ender or extender if you have excess meter you're willing to spend. You have enough time for Charge lvl 2 fireball oki, or the option to SCC into 214H assuming you have 2 meter.

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236G

Tetromino Transhumanism 236G	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 203(18,185) - 5 2 56 - +53 (HKD) None A command grab that leaves the opponent directly in front of Suisei. Faster startup and better knockdown makes it all around superior to normal throw with the caveat of having a FULL SECOND of recovery on whiff.
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214L/M

Stellar Medley (Close/Far) 214L/M File:IS Suisei 214LM hitbox.png

Description A versatile, downwards-angled projectile that can be charged up to level 3 to improve its frame advantage. The light and medium versions cover separate angles. The frame advantage it offers makes it both a somewhat reliable pressure tool and meterless okizeme tool as well. In blockstrings, as long as the startup plays out and the comet is spawned, opponents that mash on Suisei will be hit out of their combo, as it does not go away on hit. Suisei’s best move to whiff in order to build superchat meter. 214L is the least explored of the two as of now. It has better frame advantage when charged than it’s medium counterpart, but the less horizontal angle of the projectile makes it difficult to utilize in setplay. A potential use for this move would be as a preemptive neutral tool as it’s vertical angle makes it suited for catching opponents approaching from above. 214M is the most commonly used version, and has a much wider variety of practical use cases. It’s longer horizontal range makes it the closest thing Suisei has to a zoning tool, as well as makes it more easily applicable for setplay. Less frame advantage than the light version, but the difference is negligible in reality. Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 1) 65 Mid 26~52 - 0 +7 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 2) - Mid 60~83 - 0 +31 - None Takes 33 frames to charge Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214L (close/level 3) - Mid 86~98 - 0 +21~+72 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 1) 30 Mid 24f~39f - 0 +5 - None Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 2) - Mid 57~80 - 0 +25~+28 - None Takes 35 frames to charge Version Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 214M (far/level 3) - Mid 85~109 - 0 +24~+70 - None

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214H

STELLAR into the GALAXY 214H File:ISD Suisei 214H hitbox.png The reason you play Suisei The reason you play Suisei

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 56 (20+18+18) Mid 42, projectile hits on 50~159(?) - 0 +55 - None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Character-defining okizeme powerhouse move. Incredibly oppressive projectile that eats wakeup reversals and enables all her best mixups. You will be donating most of your meter to this evil ball of blockstun. If you really are tired of playing neutral you can spend the bar just to walk your opponent down with it backing you up as it travels forward with Suisei. Absorbs 3 hits of projectiles The orb spawns almost directly above Suisei, near where 2H launches the opponent in the corner. You can use the orb as an attempt to catch teching into buttons or as a combo extender in the corner because of this, but it's generally not worth the meter.

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22L

Hoshispin (Horizontal) 22L	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 106 (20+86) Air Unblockable 10 - 18(hit) 22(whiff) - ~+55 None Horizontal air unblockable hitgrab. Staple combo tool. Causes a ground bounce the first time it's used in a combo
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22M

Hoshispin (Vertical) 22M / 2S

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 99 Air Unblockable 15 - 12(hit) ~30(whiff) - +59 None Vertical air unblockable hitgrab that leads to a lengthy hard knockdown. Staple combo ender. Causes a very small ground bounce, which can be followed up on by certain specials such as 236L or 236H by using a Superchat Cancel. It's not recommended to do this though, as the small amount of extra damage is generally not worth your meter or the loss of okizeme potential.

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22H

Psycho Hoshispin 22H	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 119 (20+99) - 20 - 12(hit) ~30(whiff) - +59 Projectile(1-46) Uses 1 bar of Star Power Projectile invulnerable Makes for a gimmicky reversal against some projectile-based oki, but its primary use is helping you blow through mid-range zoning. Reward on hit is the same as 22M
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22S

Selfish of a Rough Stone 22S File:IS Suisei 22S hitbox.png Similar to FADC from Street Fighter IV Similar to FADC from Street Fighter IV

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability - Mid - - - - - None Uses 1 bar of Star Power Has three stages. Upon reaching the third stage, Suisei summons 5 comets from the sky. Can be canceled into a forward or backdash at any point during the animation and retain the current charge level. The forward dash can additionally be canceled into any other singular normal, key word singular. Said move can not be cancelled into other normals or specials, so if you want to continue pressure or combo you must 2L and be 0 on block or 2H > jump cancel. Can be canceled into from other specials. 22S~6 can be as a way to use Star Power rather than a SCC to continue your turn or combo after moves like 236L. This is commonly referred to as "Idol Step" 22S~[6] takes 12f before the dash cancel itself. 5H/2M > 22S~[6] > 5M is a true blockstring. A short tech video by Frexia about 22S cancel: https://youtu.be/C6HOGX38Mdc. Do note the section on 5M is outdated.

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j.S

Stellar Slice j.S / j.236L / j.236M / j.236H Bandit Revolver! Bandit Revolver!

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 85 High 26 6 Until Landing + 6 -7~+7 +3~+17 None Using L, M or H for this move will not affect its properties in any way. There is only one version of the move, but it can be done using any of the attack buttons for some reason. You cannot TK specials in this game. You may need to use the simple input (j.S) in order to do this move instantly in the air. A forward moving axe attack that looks similar to her 236M. Overhead that gives you a full combo on hit. Plus on block when buffered during jump startup (2f window) or hitting with the late active frames. When done low to the ground it's a fantastic approach option, functioning like an instant airdash. Good combo fodder too. Overall a very strong move. Short list of frame advantage on block situations as there is a total variance of 15 frames Near-apex height j.S early active: -7 Near-apex height j.S latest active: -1 Middle height j.S early active: -4 Middle height j.S latest active: +2 Instant air j.S early active: +1 Instant air j.S latest active: +7

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Super Star Attack

SPACE for Virtual GHOST 236S File:IS Suisei 236S install hitbox.png The closest thing this game has to a taunt The closest thing this game has to a taunt	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 0 Mid 6 3 22 -5 30 None Installs the Aura to do the actual super. Completely disables the use of 22S (and thus idol step) until her 236S attack is used. Spend meter, lose options.
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SPACE for Virtual GHOST during install 236S File:IS Suisei 236S ground hitbox.png

Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 299 - 7 8 28 - 65 (1~5) Full Long range dash with command grab. Unfortunately its not frame 1 and thus is jumpable on reaction after the superflash. Invulnerability runs out before it's active, so it also can be easily mashed on reaction to superflash. Side switches on hit, meaning it can be confirmed into a combo without extra resources if done while in corner.

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SPACE for Virtual GHOST during install 22S File:IS Suisei 236S air hitbox.png	Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Adv. on Block Adv. on Hit Invulnerability 299 Air Unblockable 8 8 20 - 65 (1~4) Full Anti-air command grab. Invulnerability also runs out before it becomes active. Side switches on hit, meaning it can be confirmed into a combo without extra resources if done while in corner.
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Colors

Original Outfit

Cosplay 1

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Anemachi

Cosplay 2

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Tokoyami Towa (Hololive)

Cosplay 3

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Nanashi Mumei (Hololive)

Cosplay 4

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Alternate Outfit

Cosplay 5

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Inui Toko (Nijisanji)

Cosplay 6

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Sion Eltnam Atlasia (Melty Blood)

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