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| '''Tankiness Rating''' || Average (1.07%) | | '''Tankiness Rating''' || Average (1.07%) | ||
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| '''Difficulty''' || Easy | | '''Learning Difficulty''' || Easy | ||
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! align="center" colspan="2" | Stats | ! align="center" colspan="2" | Stats | ||
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Estelle's grounded normals have good horizontal range and are basically impossible to punish if block cancelled. This makes them excellent pokes, although they don't combo into each other. However, she can force A and B to combo by steering to her left after inputting A. While this may seem useless, both attacks are dash cancellable, making it fairly good/important in combos. A and B also works as quick anti-airs if needed. | Estelle's grounded normals have good horizontal range and are basically impossible to punish if block cancelled. This makes them excellent pokes, although they don't combo into each other. However, she can force A and B to combo by steering to her left after inputting A. While this may seem useless, both attacks are dash cancellable, making it fairly good/important in combos. A and B also works as quick anti-airs if needed. | ||
* '''B''' will only start hitting opponents in front of Estelle starting frame 4 | |||
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A very unique air normal, which you would usually find on ranged characters. Its speed makes it a surprisingly good burst option at longer range, although Estelle doesn't have the means to capitalize | {{#invoke:FrameChart-PKMNCC|drawFrameData | ||
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A very unique air normal, which you would usually find on ranged characters. Its incredible speed (only 1 frame of startup!) makes it a surprisingly good burst option at longer range, although Estelle doesn't have the means to capitalize on it. This is due to its high vertical knockback and low hitstun. As such, comboing afterwards is only possible if Estelle spends a lot of resources. | |||
d.A will put Estelle into a grounded state if cancelled early enough. This is especially important for comboing into her EXTRA Skill. | |||
* Reaches surprisingly far below Estelle | * Reaches surprisingly far below Estelle | ||
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* Due to variable frame data, the active frames are represented by the red bar | |||
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The best Falling Attack in the game, and an absolute godsend in Estelle's combo game. While its neutral applications are fairly limited, its most important trait is the ability to cause a "hard" knockdown, which is extremely rare in Ys vs Trails. This is especially useful for Estelle, as comboing into Skills is naturally quite hard for her. She can easily combo into it after a dashing Charge Attack of a Rising Attack. | The best Falling Attack in the game, and an absolute godsend in Estelle's combo game. While its neutral applications are fairly limited, its most important trait is the ability to cause a "hard" knockdown, which is extremely rare in Ys vs Trails. This is especially useful for Estelle, as comboing into Skills is naturally quite hard for her. She can easily combo into it after a dashing Charge Attack of a Rising Attack. | ||
* Frame data obtained while as low to the ground as possible | * Frame data obtained while as low to the ground as possible | ||
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Pretty basic forward-moving projectile. While it does less damage than Fire Bolt EX and doesn't have homing properties, its speed makes it a very good poke at mid-long range. It can also sometimes cause knockdowns, although Estelle can't exploit that property unless she uses Scherazard. | Pretty basic forward-moving projectile. While it does less damage than Fire Bolt EX and doesn't have homing properties, its speed makes it a very good poke at mid-long range. It can also sometimes cause knockdowns, although Estelle can't exploit that property unless she uses Scherazard. | ||
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|spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">10 / 9 / 9 / 8 / 8</abbr> | |spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">10 / 9 / 9 / 8 / 8</abbr> | ||
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|spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">20 / 18 / 17 / 16 / 15</abbr> | |spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">20 / 18 / 17 / 16 / 15</abbr> | ||
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|properties=Hard Armor 1-4, Soft Armor, Draw-In | |properties=Hard Armor 1-4, Soft Armor, Draw-In | ||
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|spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">25 / 23 / 22 / 20 / 19</abbr> | |spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">25 / 23 / 22 / 20 / 19</abbr> | ||
|properties=Hard Armor 1-4, Soft Armor<br>Projectile, Homing | |properties=Hard Armor 1-4, Soft Armor<br>Projectile, Homing | ||
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|spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">45 / 41 / 39 / 36 / 34</abbr> | |spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">45 / 41 / 39 / 36 / 34</abbr> | ||
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|properties=Hard Armor, Projectile | |properties=Hard Armor, Projectile | ||
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Pretty gimmicky projectile. While it seems unassuming at first glance, this projectile's main appeal is that it does enough stamina damage to stun most characters in one hit. This trait can make it useful as an expensive callout against opponents who spams block cancels. If they block it, Estelle gets to deal good damage. However, she can't really follow up on hit, making it less rewarding in that situation. On top of that, the opponent can easily be dodged on reaction due to its long startup, slow trawel speed and thin hitbox. Overall a pretty niche tool in Estelle's kit, but not entirely worthless. | Pretty gimmicky projectile. While it seems unassuming at first glance, this projectile's main appeal is that it does enough stamina damage to stun most characters in one hit. This trait can make it useful as an expensive callout against opponents who spams block cancels. If they block it, Estelle gets to deal good damage. However, she can't really follow up on hit, making it less rewarding in that situation. On top of that, the opponent can easily be dodged on reaction due to its long startup, slow trawel speed and thin hitbox. Overall a pretty niche tool in Estelle's kit, but not entirely worthless. | ||
* Adol, Dogi, Cruxie, Agate, Loewe and Lloyd will be able to block Plasma Wave without being stunned | * Adol, Dogi, Cruxie, Agate, Loewe and Lloyd will be able to block Plasma Wave without being stunned | ||
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|spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">50 / 45 / 43 / 40 / 38</abbr> | |spCost=<abbr title="Base, Skill Earrings I to IV">50 / 45 / 43 / 40 / 38</abbr> | ||
|cooldown=101 | |||
|properties=Hard Armor 1-90, Drain | |properties=Hard Armor 1-90, Drain | ||
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Estelle's most damaging combo ender. Can also be used as a reversal thanks to its speed and armor properties | Estelle's most damaging combo ender. Can also be used as a reversal thanks to its speed and armor properties | ||
* The final hit heals Estelle 10% of it's damage | * The final hit heals Estelle 10% of it's damage | ||
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== General Strategy == | == General Strategy == | ||
=== Neutral === | === Neutral === | ||
* Explain how Estelle | * Explain how Estelle approaches neutral, ideally at close, mid and long range | ||
=== | === Offense === | ||
* Explain how Estelle's | * Explain how Estelle's offense works | ||
=== Defense === | === Defense === | ||
* | * Explain how Estelle can defend herself from incoming attacks. Don't forget to mention how she can recover once she's on the back foot | ||
=== General Counterplay === | === General Counterplay === |
Latest revision as of 03:05, 29 January 2024
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A young member of the Bracer Guild who fought to save the Liberl |
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Estelle | |
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Playstyle | Poking Whiff Punish |
Preferred Range | Mid |
Tankiness Rating | Average (1.07%) |
Learning Difficulty | Easy |
Stats | |
HP | 10926 |
AP | 25 |
STR | 922 |
DEF | 841 |
BRK | 572 |
DUR | 2600 |
SPD | 91 |
AGL | 98 |
SP Gain | 213 |
Introduction
Estelle is the most straightforward character in the game. Her gameplan is one of the simplest there is: poke her opponents with a stick until they die. To that end, she has access to a plethora of long projectiles and fast pokes that lets her dictate the pace of the match. Hard Break comes to mind as one of the best pokes in the game. It's cheap (10 SP at most), pretty fast, has projectile properties which makes it always win during trades and has some super armor. Comet and Fire Bolt EX are also quite good for ranged encounters, especially the latter since they're homing projectiles. Estelle also has the most versatile Charge Attack in the game. On top of being a very good poke in its own right, it also works wonders during combos, either as a starter or for extending them. This makes her great at whiff punishing, especially if her EXTRA Skill is ready. This excellent neutral control makes her very easy to approach as a beginner; however this comes at the expense of her offense. Since most of her Skills are neutral-oriented, Estelle's combos are rather limited. While her damage potential is decent, most of her starters won't lead to much damage without having to use lots of resources. This lack of offense-oriented Skills also makes her pressure virtually non-existent. While she does have a naturally armored pseudo-unblockable projectile in the form of Plasma Wave, it is very easy to just dodge it on reaction thanks to its awfully slow startup. As a result, Estelle finds herself having to play neutral for much longer than the average character.
Estelle is highly recommended for players who wants great control over the neutral game while still maintaining some degree of freedom.
Similar to: Charlotte (Samurai Shodown), Chun-Li (Street Fighter 3.3), Lucina (SSBU)
Estelle is a very flexible, beginner-friendly character who specializes in mid-ranged neutral and whiff punishes. |
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All damage values below were tested on Estelle (841 DEF). No stats-altering accessory was equipped. Also the values are averaged (see System page)
Movelist
Normal attacks
Ground Normal Link ABCD A A B B C C D D
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Charge Attack
[A] |
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Air Attack j.A Situationally great combo tool Situationally great combo tool
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Falling Attack j.B Generally great combo tool Generally great combo tool
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Rising Attack
Attack while dodging |
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Skills
Comet S1 Ground version Ground version Air version Air version
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Hard Break
S2 |
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Hurricane
S3 |
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"We have unblockables at home" "We have unblockables at home"
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Barrage
S6 |
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Wheel of Time EXTRA Skill Initial hit Initial hit Followup Followup
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Builds
Note: These builds are mostly here in order to guide new players into how to exploit Estelle's potential to its fullest. Don't be afraid to experiment!
Recommended accessories
- EX Medallion - QoL accessory that really helps Estelle during EX combos
- Void Stance - Simple damage buff to her Charge Attack. Especially good for her given how often she finds herself using it
Recommended Skills
- Hard Break - Estelle's most versatile move, as well as one of the best pokes in the game
- Barrage - Estelle's best combo ender, although quite expensive
- Hurricane - Great combo extender after j.B
- Comet - Good, quick projectile that makes for yet another great poke in Estelle's arsenal. Interchangeable with Fire Bolt EX
- Fire Bolt EX - Slow, damaging homing projectiles that greatly helps Estelle when out of poking range. Interchangeable with Comet
Recommended Support
- Mustafa - Can't really go wrong with more damage on a punish-focused character.
- Anelace - Makes all of Estelle's pokes impossible to contest for 40 seconds.
- Feena & Reah - Guarantees Estelle's next punish will be devastating.
Honorable Mentions:
- Olha - Offers slightly more damage than Mustafa, but combos become harder to pull off due to the extra knockback.
- Jurio & Chris - Makes Estelle's pokes and projectiles much scarier in neutral.
General Strategy
Neutral
- Explain how Estelle approaches neutral, ideally at close, mid and long range
Offense
- Explain how Estelle's offense works
Defense
- Explain how Estelle can defend herself from incoming attacks. Don't forget to mention how she can recover once she's on the back foot
General Counterplay
- List some general Estelle counterplay. This includes, but isn't limited to, knowledge checks or gimmicks
Combos
Combo Terminology Table
Symbol | Meaning |
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> | Cancel from the previous move to the following move. |
, | Link from the previous move to the following move. |
dl./delay | Delay before using the following move. |
X(w)/whiff | Whiff the following move (do not hit). |
jc | Jump Cancel. |
wc | Walk Cancel. |
d./dash | Dash air attacks. Done by pressing the dodge button while standing still. |
(X) | Optional input. |
{X}*N | Repeat (sequence) N number of times. |
Solo
- AB > d.A > j.S6 (1.4k damage)
- Simple BnB, and one of her only truly reliable combos. For AB to connect, Estelle needs to steer to her left while attacking.
- d.[A] > j.S2 (600 damage)
- Extremely simple, SP positive confirm from a dashing Charge Attack.
- d.[A] > j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S2 (1.4k damage)
- More advanced combo that trades SP efficiency for doubled damage. Also doable from a standing j.[A]
- AB > d.A > EX, [A] > S6 (~3.3k damage)
- Sample EX combo. Make sure to stay as close to the opponent as possible during her EX, otherwise they might escape. Extremely tight/impossible at max range without EX Medallion.
- AB > d.A > EX, j.[A] > j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S2 (~3.4k damage)
- More optimal EX combo. j.[A] should be done as low to the ground as possible.
- d.[A] > j.B > S3 > EX, [A] > S6 (3.7k damage)
- EX combo that starts with a Charge Attack. Same optimizations as the previous route are possible
With accessories
- RA jc > delay j.B > j.S2, (d.[A]) (700 damage)
- Airborne Medallion
- "Simple", SP efficient combo using Rising Attack. Estelle has a ~3 frame window to connect with j.B
- RA jc > delay j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S2 (1.4k damage)
- Airborne Medallion
- More advanced/damaging route that uses a bit more SP.
- RA jc > delay j.B wc > d.A > EX, [A] > S6 (~3.3k damage)
- Airborne Medallion
- EX combo from a Rising Attack.
- [j.[A] > j.B > S3 > EX]*2, j.[A] > j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S6 (~6.8k damage)
- Gemstone
- Double EX combo.
With assists
- ABC > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S2 (1.1k damage)
- Scherazard
- Max range combo. Fire Bolt doesn't combo at this range, forcing Estelle to go straight into Hurricane. Replace j.S2 with j.S6 for 2.2k damage.
- ABC > S4 > S3 jc > j.[A] (1.3k damage)
- Scherazard
- Estelle BnB with Schera. Offer the same reward as her regular combos, while being much easier to pull off than said regular combos.
- AB > d.A > EX, Assist, [A] > S3 jc > j.[A] > S4, j.[A] > (j.S2) > j.S6 (~4.3k damage)
- Elena
- Sample Elena combo. Hard Break does more damage but makes the combo much tighter
- AB > d.A > EX, Assist, d.A > EX, j.[A] > j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S6 (~5.8k damage)
- Feena & Reah
- Sample Feena combo. Can deal more damage with EX Tome and other accessories.
With accessories and assists
- d.[A] > j.B > S3 > [EX, Assist, j.A]*2 > EX, [A] > j.[A] > j.B > S3 jc > j.[A] > j.S6 (~8.3k damage)
- Feena & Reah, Support Tome
- Max damage punish, which does enough damage to ToD Aisha, Mishera and Tita. Generates enough SP for Estelle to always finish with Barrage while still being SP positive.
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