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Story

Real name: Edmond Dantès. Shrouded with wrathful, blue-black flames, the Count of Monte Cristo himself is the most renowned "Avenger" in the world. His wrath and vengeance are directed toward "irrationality and malice," and never toward innocent people. He was recorded in the Throne of Heroes as combined with the character in his eponymous novel and materialized as the Extra Class Avenger. He acknowledged Chaldea's Master, saying "while commonplace, you crush the machinations of evil," and forged a contract. Subsequently, he took root in the depths of his Master's spirit as a co-conspirator in deceiving and scorning the irrationality of this world, and plays an important role in shielding that spirit from malice. With the spiritual strength and quickness of thought honed at Château d'If where he was once sealed, he is skilled in incredibly quick unarmed combat using superhuman physical abilities, as well as his all-consuming black flames.

Gameplay

The Count of Monte Cristo (often referred to as Dantes) is a new character to Melty Blood, released as free DLC alongside Ushiwakamaru on December 15, 2022. He is a jack of all trades that focuses on using his powerful midrange pokes to corner the opponent into explosive damage

With a very versatile and well rounded toolkit, The Count is equipped with all the things you'd want in a traditional fighting game kit, with zoning tools in both the air and ground with projectiles Flames of Love and Hate, solid defensive options like his reversal series Vengeful Conflagration to get you out of sticky situations, and a powerful strike throw game up close to compliment his seamless transitions from midrange to rushdown with his plethora of strong pokes such as rekkas and C normals. He can also force an unseeable microwalk left/right mixup from anywhere on the screen, including the corner, giving him a surprisingly potent Oki game.

His versatility comes at a cost however, lacking the more focused and potent options his opponents have access to. His buttons are all slower than average across the board, lacking a 5 frame normal for defense, having some of the weakest rebeat framedata in the game, and overall sluggish movement. Both of his backdashes on the ground and air cover little to no ground, giving him an underwhelming retreat game as the opponent advances. He also lacks strong mixups outside of oki. Moreover, he's forced to play strike/throw with no standing overheads or shield crush options. Despite these flaws he boasts high health and even higher damage, with great metered options for enders to keep up his potentially relentless offense once he has the opponent cornered

Players looking for a character who has a tiny bit of everything Melty Blood has to offer to its characters will enjoy the Count's widely applicable toolkit, overcoming his weaknesses with high damage and solid okizeme

Strengths	Weaknesses
Jack of All Trades: Dantes is capable of playing effectively at nearly every range, boasting a DP, beams, and solid midrange tools. This allows him to switch seamlessly between keepaway, playing an effective midrange with his 214B lariat, tk.214X clone, and C-normals, or going in for frametrap/IAD pressure once he gets close. Combined with his above-average HP, he's one of the most versatile characters in the game. Excellent C-Buttons: With the exception of j.C, every C-button gives him fantastic ground control. 2C is a large and fairly active sweep, 5C is large and excellent at catching jump-outs with its second hit, 4C is, again, large and a fantastic option to cover his retreat + enforce his frametrap pressure, and 3C is one of the most effective anti-air buttons in the game. High Damage Potential: He is capable of 3-touching some of the highest health characters in the game, and this potential is only exacerbated once he reaches the corner due to his variety of combo tools Conversion Flexibility: With a large arsenal of metered conversion tools combined with his high meter gain, Dantes has many ways to consistently convert all his hits into some form of knockdown to initiate his strike throw game or maintain his strong midrange keepaway	Master of None: Many of his tools are often outclassed in startup or recovery. His effectiveness will be dictated by how well he cycles playstyles and applies creative use of these tools. Weak Retreat: While his ground speed and airdash are strong, his backdash/air backdash don't go very far which leads to a rather slow retreat. Couple this with his slow jump startup, and the result is a character who is better at maintaining space than moving about it. High Commitment: He lacks a 5F normal for defense, boasts high startup and recovery even on his strongest pokes, and his overall rebeat framedata is generally more minus on average. Dantes has to rely on ambiguity and strong meter management to maintain his offense, and has to commit to risky options to get himself out of difficult situations up close Weak Air to Air Presence: Thanks to a combination of his slow jump startup and mediocre A and B normals, he's only left with j.C in most scenarios which is prone to being counterpoked due to its long startup. This leads to a character who is better suited to staying grounded and anti-airing, which just isn't a viable strategy against certain characters.

Unique Traits

Black Grudge

All of the Count's specials involving the use of his devastating Black Flame applies a damage over time debuff that corrodes recoverable health

These specials include 236X, 214X, j.236X, and 22C

Character Summary

Move list

Moon Skills: 6B+C (Air OK) - Flames of Love and Hate; 3B+C - Vengeful Conflagration; 4B+C - Furious Hellfire; j.4B+C - Afterglow
Special Attacks: 236A/B/C (EX OK) - Flames of Love and Hate (Air OK): Flame beams; 623A/B/C (EX OK) - Vengeful Conflagration: Anti air DPs.; 214A/B/C (EX OK) -Furious Hellfire: Rekkas, advancing alashes; 22C (EX exclusive) - Revenge is Mine: Beam burst; J.214A/B/C (EX OK) - Afterglow: Clone lariat strike
Arc Drive: 236B+C - My Vengeance Never Dies: Highly damaging advancing grab.
Last Arc: A+B+C+D / Successful Shield in Blood Heat - Ender Chateau D'If
Unique Attacks: - 4C, 3C
Blowback Edge Moves: - j.C

Stats & vitals

Health: - 12,000

Backdash:

  - 1-10 Throw Invul
  - 1-14 Strike Invul
  - 15-19 Aerial Invul
  - 15-19 Projectile Invul
  - 33 Total

Dash startup: 5

Dash actionable: 5

Jump startup: 5

Jump airtime: 35

Quick combo reference

Coming soon.

Move Analysis

Normal Moves

Standing Normals

5A

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5A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
190	HL	-N-, -RB-, -SP-, -EX-, -CH-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
6	2	11	18	-1	-

Slower than average standing jab.
Hitbox hits fairly in the middle of Dantes' body, making it a not ideal to hit airborne targets.
Whiff cancel shield/jab available from frame 11.
Standard rebeat option since 2A is a low.
Can cancel into itself for three total 5A's by inputting with 4A.

5B

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5B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
510	LH	-SE-, -N-, -SP-, -CH-, -EX-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
9	3	20	31	-8	-

A left-handed swipe.

It has a good combination of reach and speed, as it lets him step forward during the animation.
The hitbox on the front covers a bit of area above Dantes' head.
- While not being big enough to serve as an anti air, it can make for a good normal to hit opponents during their Instant Airdash or even slightly higher.
Slower than average recovery leads to this being a really bad poke.

5C

1st Hit

2nd Hit

1st Hit

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5C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
-	LH	-SE-, -N-, -SP-, -CH-, -EX-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
11	3 (10) 4	19	50	-6	-

A unique 5C involving two advancing punches with Dantes' cape.

Staple tool for stabilizing combos, establishing pressure, hitconfirming, and catching jump-outs.
The big gap between the two hits combined with long recovery make this a poke you should use very sparingly.
Both hits have fantastic reach, with the second hit taking a large step forward before going off, which is used in pressure to reverse beat to 5A for better frame advantage.
Seen the most as combo filler, as the second hit pulls the opponent down from altitudes where continuing the combo would otherwise be difficult.

Crouching Normals

2A

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2A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
180	L	-SE-, -N-, -SP-, -CH-, -EX-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
6	2	11	18	-1	-

Slower than average crouching jab, but otherwise fairly standard .
Whiff cancel shield/jab available from frame 11.
Standard pressure starter due to being a quick and chainable low.
Can cancel into itself for three total 2As.

2B

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2B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
460	L	-SE-, -N-, -SP-, -CH-, -EX-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
8	4	18	29	-7	-

Low swipe.

A low poke with further reach than 2a, but still fairly stubby by most standards
Low to the ground disjoint make this good at hitting targets that stay on the ground, but bad at hitting airborne opponents.
An alright abare move/punish starter due to it being his only 8F normal, but has slower than usual recovery for a medium poke.
Good frametrap tool, leads to high damage as a combo starter if you can get into the range to make effective use of it.

2C

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2C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
350*2 (679)	L	-SE-, -N-, -SP-, -CH-, -EX-, -MD-, (J)	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
9	2 (2) 3	22	37	-8	-

Double low sweep with the cape. Possibly Dantes' best ground poke

Very long reaching, two hitting low that leads to high reward due to being a C normal
Having a big disjoint make this move fairly likely to clash or outright beat other low pokes
Despite this, it only has 2 more frames of recovery than both 5B and 2B, making it still alright to whiff.
The immense pushback makes this move fairly mediocre for pressure due to immediately spacing you out. It is better to hitconfirm with 5C instead.
The slower startup and decent recovery are still a reason you shouldn't be throwing this move recklessly.

Jumping Normals

j.A

Aerial

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jA

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
170	HA	N, SP, EX, MD, TH	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
6	4	11	20	-	-

Standard aerial jab.
It is the most common air-to-air due to its speed, but it's very stubby.
His 5F jump startup makes using this as a rising air-to-air not fantastic due to its effective startup of 11F when compared to the average of 9F, be absolutely certain it'll hit.
Can cancel into itself for three total jA's by inputting j4A.

j.B

Aerial

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jB

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
420	HA	N, SP, EX, MD, TH	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
8	5	until landing	-	-	-

Hand strike downwards

Dantes' main jump in due to a decently deep hitbox and fast startup
The ideal normal of use when approaching via Instant Airdash

j.C

Aerial

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jC

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
590	HA	N, SP, EX, MD, TH	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
10	5	until landing	-	-	-

Flaming slash with the cape

Long range and solid hitbox make this a consistent, albeit risky, air to air.
Slow startup and commitful recovery mean you should be real picky when choosing this over j.a air to airs.
Ideal for safejumps on oki

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j[C]

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
900	HA	N, SP, EX, MD, TH	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
20	6	until landing	-	-	Clash 15-19

Charged version of the above.

Sacrifices speed for a better hitbox, bigger damage and longer untech time.
Is mainly a combo filler due to the latter two traits. It is too big of a commitment to use as an air poke

Command Normals

4C

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4C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
420*2 (806)	LHA	SP	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
9	2 (11) 2	19	42	-4	-

Couple slashes with the cape. A cornerstone to his frametrap pressure when combined with 236A and enables gimmicky pressure resets with j.214X.

Long range and large disjoint combined with a large backstep motion makes this a fairly good retreating option.
Both strikes vacuum on hit.
First hit is special cancellable into air specials, while the second hit lands and can be special cancelled into ground specials.
Is airborne for frames 7-21 meaning he can get fatal countered out of it, careful.
First hit vacuums on hit, and is cancellable into air specials like j.236B or j.214B, making it a staple combo filler
Fatal counters scored with the first hit won't be interrupted by the 2nd hit. This, combined with its 9F startup, makes it a high risk high reward option to fuzzy with on IADs.

Universal Mechanics

Rapid Beat 2

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No results Abysmal for stabilizing combos when compared to 5C, often whiffing on opponents who are only slightly above you. It also requires some practice to ensure you get all the hits, but this is optimal in routes such as MD cashouts where you're going to be at max damage scaling anyways.

3C/Rapid Beat 3

3C

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3C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
700	LH	SP+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
10	3	25	37	-11	Air 5-12

Upward slash with the cape

Universal anti air and launcher, followed by an automatic jump.
Invulnerable to air moves beginning from frame 5.
Leads to bigger reward if it serves as the starter of a combo.
Risky to throw out due to lengthy recovery animation, but it is fast and has a long reach upward.
One of the most reliable 3Cs in the game, right below Kouma.

Ground Throw

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4/6AD

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
1500	U	-	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
4 (+dash)	3	19	-	+36	-

Hard knockdown when successful.

Air Throw

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Aerial

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j4/6AD

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
1200	U	-	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
1	3	until landing + 12	-	-	-

Universal meterless combo ender.

Special Moves

Flames of Love and Hate

Dantes' beam special, serving as horizontal projectiles of various utility. The B and C version are mainly used in neutral while the A version is a staple combo tool.

Flames of Love and Hate

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B version

C version

A version

B version

C version

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236A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
850	LHA	CH, EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
12	4	29	44	-8	-

Shorter range than B and C versions.
Has 2 follow-ups.

Seen mostly in combos but also has uses in neutral due to its follow-ups and its speed.

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236A~A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
1200	LH	EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
11	3	24	37	-4	-

Crumples on hit.
AUB.

A fast palm strike follow-up that does more damage than the other one and also crumples on hit. A strong call-out tool in neutral but is negative on block. Can be used in a meterless AUB set-up if the opponent blocked 236A while in the air, however, the follow-up may whiff if the opponent is too high in the air.

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236A~B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
750	L	EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
14	10	18	41	-4	-

Low.

A slow slide attack that hits low, seen more in combos since it moves Dantes forward a fair amount.

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236B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
660*2 (1141)	LHA	EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
23	9 (9) 9	22	71	-6	-

Shoots 2 full-screen beams.

After a small delay, Dantes shoots 2 full-screen beams. A strong zoning tool due to its range and pretty active, but it's dangerous up close as the start-up is really long.

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236C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
630*5 (2203)	LHA	MD/AD	-	1 magic circuit	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
4+8	9(2)*4, (16) 9	26	106	-10	-

Shoots 5 full-screen beams.

Has a fast start-up which makes it an excellent way of confirming of a 236B, also has a fair amount of push back and chip on block.

Vengeful Conflagration

Dragon-Punch style specials. Dantes slices upwards into the air, offering great vertical reach but variable horizontal reach. A is used in combos, while B is a reversal and C is a reversal/combo ender.

Vengeful Conflagration

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B version

C version

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623A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
440*3 (1200)	LH	EX+, Hit: J	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
6	15	32	52	-21	-

No invul.
Jump cancelable on hit or block.

Like most DP's in the game, Dantes typically uses this in some combo.

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623B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
480*3 (1271)	LH	Hit: EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
8	9	40	56	-27	All 1-13

Dantes DP. On hit, you can cancel into j.214C for HKD. Lacks the ground hitbox that 623A and 623C have.

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623C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
520*5 (2026)	LH	Hit: MD	-	1 magic circuit	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
4+1	5 (1) 8	42	60	-28	All 1-15

Fastest DP of the 3 of them and does the most damage.

Furious Hellfire

Various forward-moving slashes using the Count's flames. A is a rekka-style special that can cancel on whiff with a high/low/throw mixup on the third hit. B is a long ranged advancing slash to use for neutral, C is a launcher that can be used to end combos or convert stray special moves.

Furious Hellfire

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A version

214X~X~X (End Flame-Roasting)

214X~X~6X (End Flame-Condemnation)

214X~X~4X (End Flame-Fallen Angel)

B version

C version

A version

A~A

A~A~A

A~A~6A

A~A~4A

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C version

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214A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
530*2 (1001)	LH	CH, EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
11	4	24	40	-6	-

Rekka series starter. Dantes swipes his hands forward while moving forward a bit.

Unsafe at close range if not cancelled.
Can delay cancel into the followup in order to frame trap.

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214A~A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
530*2 (1001)	LH	CH, EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
12	3	28	43	-9	-

The middle hit in the rekka, moves Dantes forward as well.

Punishable on block if not cancelled.
Can delay cancel to frame trap.

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214A~A~A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
1100	L	EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
17	3	28	47 (41)	-11	-

Dantes crosses through the opponent and swipes at their feet. Hits low.

Always switches sides with the opponent. This is usually not desirable.
Despite switching sides, this is not a crossup; it can be blocked in either direction.
Fastest follow-up of the three; the only rekka ender which can be made gapless.
Can be delayed to catch attempts to mash, or to try to hit at the same time as one of the other enders.
Unsafe on block on its own, but cancelling into 22C gives advantage on block or a combo on hit.

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214A~A~6A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
1374	U	Hit: EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
31	1	37	71	19	Throw 20-35

Dantes dashes forward and grabs the opponent after a long delay. Untechable command grab.

Moves extremely far, to the point where it even catches backdashes.
Extremely slow, and very reactable.
Punishable when jumped out of, and can't be cancelled on whiff to save yourself.
Requires EX cancel to combo off of.
Startup is slightly faster during combos, allowing for 214AA~6A to properly connect.

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214A~A~4A

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
440*3 (1192)	H	EX+	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
29	3	31	63	-11	-

Dantes jumps into the air and dives down onto the opponent. Hits overhead.

Quite slow, and not particularly difficult to react to.
Vulnerable to mashing, and much worse at jumping over lows than it looks like it should be.
Unsafe on block on its own, but cancelling into 22C gives advantage on block or a combo on hit.
Has an additional hitbox during the jump portion that only activates during combos, allowing for 214AA~4A to properly connect.
Usually switches sides during combos.

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214B

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
490*3	LH	EX, MD	-	-	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
18	4	24	45	-5	-

The Count dashes forward a long distance before swiping with his flames. Same animation as 214AA.

Quite long, and decently fast for its range.
Causes a ground bounce on hit, allowing for a meterless combo.
Air unblockable, and hits fairly high up.
Disadvantageous but safe on block.

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214C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
460*5 (1903)	LH	MD/AD	-	1 magic circuit	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
4+6	6 (8) 6 (17) 3	21	70	-7	-

Dantes performs the first 2 hits of his rekka before ending with 3C.

Air unblockable. Can potentially be used to punish opponents who block 236B in the air at mid-range.
Has the universal launch effect on 3rd hit.
Punishable on block, but only by characters with a decent 7-frame option.

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22C

Damage	Guard	Cancel	Property	Cost	Attribute
370*8 (2280)	LHA	AD/MD	-	1 magic circuit	-
First Active	Active	Recovery	Overall	Advantage	Invul
4+11	18	17	49	+4	-

Dantes smacks the ground, causing it to burst beams in a large area around him.

EX only special
Reaches the top of the screen and covers a large horizontal distance both on the front and behind of Dantes.
Active for a very large period of time as well, making it a huge, threatening wall of projectiles.
Deceptively short recovery, making this move advantagous on block and extremely easy to follow after on hit.
Untech duration scales very harshly if used in combos, though, making it very tricky to follow up midscreen.