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<u>'''CHARACTERS THAT CAN DASH UNDER 236A:'''</u>
<u>'''CHARACTERS THAT CAN DASH UNDER 236A:'''</u>
* Akiha*, V.Akiha*, Seifuku, Aoko*, Arc*, Warc*, Ciel, Kouma*, NAC, Neco-Arc, Nero (lol), Roa*, Ryougi, Satsuki*, Tohno*, Nanaya*, V.Sion, Wara (C/H), W.Len
* Akiha*, V.Akiha*, Seifuku, Aoko*, Arc*, Warc*, Ciel, Kouma*, NAC, Neco-Arc, Nero (lol), Roa*, Ryougi, Satsuki*, Tohno*, Nanaya*, V.Sion, Wara (C/H), W.Len (C/F)


<u>'''CHARACTERS THAT CANNOT DASH UNDER 236A:'''</u>
<u>'''CHARACTERS THAT CANNOT DASH UNDER 236A:'''</u>
* Hime, Hisui, Kohaku, Koha-Mech, Len, Mech-Hisui, Neco-Mech, Miyako, P.Ciel, Ries, Sion, Wara (F)
* Hime, Hisui, Kohaku, Koha-Mech, Len, Mech-Hisui, Neco-Mech, Miyako, P.Ciel, Ries, Sion, Wara (F), W.Len (H)


=== Pressure ===
=== Pressure ===

Revision as of 20:59, 25 February 2022

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In Progress To-do
  • Combos:
    • Add damage, meter gain/given numbers and video links to the pre-existing combos.


Additional Resources

C-Nero Match Video Database
Nero Combo Compilation
Nero's Compendium (has some misinformation)
C-Nero doc (work in progress)

Players to watch/ask

Name Color Region Common Venues Status Details
MaSa

Color

Japan Play Spot BIG ONE 2nd Active The modern diamond standard for Nero.
SAT

Color

Japan A-cho,
KorewaMelty
Inactive The original diamond standard for Nero. Solid, creative, unflinchingly adaptive. When the rust red coat shows, something is about to go down. Plays every moon with absolute competence.
LuckyStar

Random color

Japan A-cho Inactive The original MBAACC shark. Often goes for unorthodox and stylish plays but is more than competent when he needs to be.
toku
(徳)

Nero Color14.png

Japan A-cho,
KorewaMelty,
Play Spot BIG ONE 2nd,
Netplay
Active Lab monster, posts a lot of tech to his twitter.
c nero poronga
hakujun
(白純)

Nero Color24.png

Japan Play Spot BIG ONE 2nd Active
rondo
(ロンド)

Nero Color31.png

Japan A-cho,
KorewaMelty,
Play Spot BIG ONE 2nd,
Netplay
Active
nekuromanshi-
(ネクロマンシー)

Color

Japan A-cho Inactive
niwatoriyuu
(鶏雄)

Nero Color04.png

Japan A-cho,
KorewaMelty,
Kirisugu
Inactive
Lain
(Awong102300#9981)

Color

North America Netplay Active Found in main Melty server.
Burning Moon
(Web Booby Cop#4605)

Nero Color36.png

North America Next Level,
Netplay
Active Found in every Melty server. Has some consistency and a lot of decision making issues in footage so better asked than watched but knowledgeable on tech, theory, and most matchups. Also always ready to discuss the character with anyone that has questions.
Grungrah

Random color

North America Netplay Infrequently
active
Found in main Melty server when he's around.
Canceris
(Canceris#7506)

Nero Color22.png

South America Netplay Active Found in main Melty server and Melty Sud.
Donnie

Random color

South America Netplay Active Found in Melty Sud.
Receita Federal

Nero Color29.png

South America Netplay Active Found in main Melty server and Melty Brasil.
paddu
(paddu#7497)

Nero Color28.png

Europe Netplay Active Found in main Melty server.

Overview

Playstyle
Neroface.png C-Nero is a dominating area denial character with strong setplay capabilities.
Pros Cons
  • Consistent corner carry: Can reliably confirm into combos that bring the opponent all the way to the corner from almost anywhere on the screen off of the majority of hits.
  • Low commitment: The threat of summon insurance will often make getting clean hits on you difficult and allow you greater safety in a lot of interactions or the denial of them.
  • Large, strong normals: Long reaching, disjointed buttons with good to great active frames both on the ground and in the air ensure an effective ability to control space and cover a lot of situations even when low on summons.
  • Second highest health in the game: Possessing a health pool beaten out only by Akiha, Nero can take more hits than the vast majority of the cast, this survivability being enhanced even more by crescent moon heat and potential difficulty in landing a clean hit.
  • Very good meter gain: Even Nero's basic bnb generates nearly 100 meter and the ability to consistently convert into an at least somewhat meaningful combo off of stray hits in addition to generating well over 100% off of more optimal conversions will mean you'll rarely find yourself lacking the resources to buff offense or neutral or have additional ways of getting out on defense.
  • Strong throw game: Tied with Hime and Ries for having the longest throw range in the game and gets a potential invalid combo or tech chase off of a successful throw in addition to summons tacking on additional damage if they hit during your throw animation allowing for a potentially very threatening strike/throw game, can even get airtight combos off of throw with the right summons out.
  • Good anti-airs: Nearly every normal in Nero's arsenal can cover an aerial approach angle of some sort allowing you to answer the majority of air to ground or rising air to air situations with one of the available options.
  • Green matchup spread: Very few characters can be contended to have advantaged or even 5/5 matchups against Nero.
  • Consistent use for meter: Crescent moon heat and a plethora of useful to at times downright splashable supers gives Nero a lot of utility and use for any bar he has in almost any given situation.
  • Diverse setups: With a large variety of oki and setplay options, unprepared opponents can easily be overwhelmed by your combination of lockdown and numerous mixup possibilities and even more seasoned players will have a hard time keeping up with all you can throw at them.
  • High potential damage: Counterhit, crouch specific, and combos containing ex deer all raise your damage ceiling very significantly and can easily close out a round or swing things in your favor dramatically, especially combined with your potential oki follow up.
  • CV: Jouji Nakata.
  • Large hurtbox: Nero is the tallest character in the game giving several characters additional pressure options against him such as new fuzzy opportunities and moves that ordinarily whiff crouchers hitting him.
  • Poor mobility: Nero has no ground dash, forcing him to mainly rely on universal jump mechanics and his far moving but still slower than average air dash to move around often making more subtle spacing adjustments more difficult than the rest of the cast.
  • Mediocre defensive options: No reversals without meter and slower than average abare can make being put on defense difficult.
  • Mediocre average damage: Due to 2a's greater scaling than most jabs and having to sweep earlier than most characters Nero is usually reliant on situational starters to do higher damage.
  • Lacks options off of regular shield: Not getting EX Shield in the air leaves you completely open and normal shield on the ground only has a fireball that can be low profiled as a remotely fast cancel option.
  • Himesmug.png: Utterly godawful matchups against characters whose core toolkit abuse how Nero works.

General Gameplan

First off, does your opponent know to sweep/launch jump or something similar when summons are nearby?

If no...

Unleash the entire zoo while you sit back not committing and when you finally get hit you get a free combo because your summons bailed you out. Nero alone is not a spectacular character. His summons, however, make him one of the strongest in the game simply for how little you have to commit with them. Has easily the best insurance in the game, enough to be defined by it.

If yes...

Use your summons and large normals to restrict space and force difficult movement/approach decisions from your opponent. At high level it isn't trades you'll see getting Nero players wins as much as the threat of them creating unfavorable situations in conjunction with your strong antiairs and massive air normals. You want to make your opponent feel just as restricted in their movement options as Nero if not more, at which point they will usually lose most of the button to button interactions available to them as long as you maintain good spacing and matchup knowledge.

C-Moon Specifics:

Each of Nero's 3 moons is essentially the same character with slight, but playstyle-defining differences. C-Nero is largely based around offense. Has possibly Nero’s most infamous and iconic tool, the deer (421X). Win neutral, push your opponent into the corner, then bully with 5[C] and deer. Does not have 3C unlike the other 2 moons however, so keep that in mind. Very strong midrange and anti-air game.

Neutral

Movement:

Nero is a slow character. There is no denying that. He lacks a traditional forward dash, and his back dash doesn’t go particularly far back. His air dash is a slow, fully horizontal one that can go for quite long if you hold it, and will be his main movement tool.
Saying that Nero is slow is more of a lack of being able to cover small amounts of ground fast. His air dash still goes fairly far and since everyone gets a forward super jump, he can still cover alarming amounts of space very fast. He cannot, however, adjust his position nearly as well as basically any other character.

Instead of a conventional dash, Nero’s forward dash is a teleport, similar to Slayer’s. It is invulnerable from frame 1, but very slow to recover, although the timing to punish it is also very late, so late that people not accustomed to it might in fact whiff a premature punish. You can also teleport safely if covered by the right summon.

With Nero you'd want to first find a suitable space and time to produce 1-2 summons and use those to approach in a safe manner. Most times the summons will cause the opponent to jump to avoid them and that's where your strong grounded antiairs or large air normals come into play. 5a, 2a, 2c, 5[c], and 421a will favorably cover the majority of angles your opponent has to approach from as long as you choose and time the right one, especially when backed up by even subtle adjustments such as slightly walking back or forwards. All 3 of your air normals are very strong and can be utilized effectively off any of back, forwards, or neutral jump depending how aggressive you intend to be and what matchup/situation you find yourself in.

IF you need the time to produce a summon you can hit the opponent with 236A(crow fireball) to gain the time to produce at least one summon against an high mobility opponent and approach from there. Don't feel compelled to immediately try and summon or immediately try and create a situation that might give you a summon if you feel you're in an unfavorable position to do so that could get you punished. There's nothing wrong with playing it patient at first, even without much grounded mobility you still have average enough air movement, C moon mechanics such as ex shield/heat/air dodge, and some of the best normals in the game. Be smart, take it slow, and abuse your big hitboxes until you find a chance to take enough frames to set up or end up already hitting them into the corner.

One thing to note is that for 236A there are characters that can dash under but get hit on startup or have some other caveat will be denoted with an asterisk. So be careful by match up on when to use 236A, especially with its long recovery.

CHARACTERS THAT CAN DASH UNDER 236A:

  • Akiha*, V.Akiha*, Seifuku, Aoko*, Arc*, Warc*, Ciel, Kouma*, NAC, Neco-Arc, Nero (lol), Roa*, Ryougi, Satsuki*, Tohno*, Nanaya*, V.Sion, Wara (C/H), W.Len (C/F)

CHARACTERS THAT CANNOT DASH UNDER 236A:

  • Hime, Hisui, Kohaku, Koha-Mech, Len, Mech-Hisui, Neco-Mech, Miyako, P.Ciel, Ries, Sion, Wara (F), W.Len (H)

Pressure

With all Neros, pressure via screen control is the name of the game. Use his 214A/B series in conjunction with 421B (if you have time to get it out) to cover your approach and airdash j.A/B/C your way in. Acquaint yourself with all of your air normals, especially j.B, because it's a large 2-hit normal that's quite fast for an aerial of its size with good disjoint. Don't let any one of your air normals overshadow the rest too much though, j.C is very active and can occasionally reach things that j.B can't and j.A is faster while having a more immediate downwards angle making it better in cases where you don't think j.B will prevent something like a rising j.A antiair in time. From there, you can either IAD j.X again, throw, or start your grounded pressure.

Frankly, any positioning outside of the corner his main goal is to obstruct the opponent's path, denying them of invading space, usually forcing mistakes on the opponent who overextends and from there performing the corner carry combo that brings them to the corner where Nero begins to do his pressure/okizeme. While he gets a strong knockdown already off of AT his pressure truly shines in the corner after a 5[C] ender.

Once you successfully condition your opponent to block the probable 5[C] on wake-up you can start to take advantage by not doing 5[C] and pressing on with IAD buttons or summon right away in order to get a better advantage. Do have in mind that while a blocked 5[C] can allow you to summon snakes/A deer or rebeat into frametrap/jump in, it's still not hugely on your favor, you get pushed back a little and the opponent can react and challenge to all these options.

Before we get more into the summoning aspect of C-Nero's pressure it is important to remember that summons, 5[C], and IAD are not all this character has for his strings. You can still create frametraps/staggers like any C/H moon can with reverse beat and 5A/2A(W) and can use this further in conjunction with the things mentioned in the previous sentence. Rebeating into 5A(W) off of 2C, 2B, or 5B(1) will leave you only slightly minus and in conjunction with the threat of 5[C] and 4C in addition with the distance you're often at being in your favor can often allow you to reset pressure off of these. Even 2A despite being -1 is as big as the B and C normals of most characters, allowing you to reset pressure off of it in some situations.

A large part of the pressure game of Nero is to test your opponent's reactions and guessing game with your "frametrap" summons. This will only work out if the opponent you're facing is aware that blocking a summon means that Nero gets to get in for free once again, so they will most likely want to challenge your summons.

You want to vary the spots you summon at in order to test the reactions of your opponent as hard as you can, keeping your special cancel points ambiguous and stealing frames whenever you think the opponent won't expect it in time. Vary between cancelling off of 2A, 5[C](early hits), 5B(1), and 2B(1-2) if you want to stay closer to the opponent and off of 2C/[C], 5[C](full), and 2B(full) if you want to push yourself out more in exchange for usually being easier to react to. You mainly want to use 214B and 421A though you can use your slower summons like 214A too if you feel you've condition your opponent to respect enough.

If the opponent is full-on fuzzy mashing then just 5[C] or rebeat 5A(w) > 4C to check them, same if they jump but with 4C, 2C, or 5A depending how close you are.

An actual challenge where your opponent tried to react and punish your summon would be they either sweep > jump cancel or tried to jump in buttons or jump and get the hell away. You can bait and beat most sweeps with 421A (though the trade will often reset to a scramble) and beat some jump ins, and if they try to double jump away from the corner then chase them with j.C and j.B for a potential guard crush or air throw or use the running away from you as an opportunity to summon more and return to a neutral stacked in your favor. Reacting on time properly is actually not easy. If your opponent is slow and doesn't react to summon on time you can block their mash attempt and since they cant jump cancel your summons will punish them and net you a combo.

Other neat little tips and tricks include things like 214[A] (walk forward) release A into Throw.
Or doing 5[C](1 hit) > 421A to catch potential jump-outs.


Okizeme

All Nero variants have the ability to end their combos in an air throw which gives HKD. C/F Nero both have access to 236C which is important to their pressure and their Oki. Below will be expanding how it's conducted for C-Nero specifically.

AT ender
With C-Nero, 5[C] is commonly used after Air throw ender as it does a ton of guard damage and also checks for mashing, jumping, heat attempts, and most reversals. That is not all since he can then cancel into 236C and essentially still keep his turn during this whole sequence.

You can also go into 236C immediately after Air throw ender if you want to have the maximum frame advantage and from there you can do the following

  • 2A > 214[A] IAD Fuzzy(j.B/C > dj.B)
  • 2A, 9 late j.B or empty jump 2A
  • Walk up Throw/bait

The ones in bolded are to illustrate the importance of doing 2A after 236C as it keeps the opponent in check if they try to dash out. If they try to jump out, you can guard crush them with 2C as it is AUB and go straight into an aerial sequence that is listed in the normal combos. if they try to either ground shield or Air shield the crows, you can ground and air throw them accordingly.

5[C] ender

5[C] > 421B/C

It's important to note the significance between the two. 421B the bambi deer hits two times while 421C hits three times. They never go away even if Nero gets hit which allows him to do more bold actions such as walk up grab/2A5B(1), but here's a few more things that you can do while bambi is running around getting revenge for the fallen.

Here a just a few examples of what you can do with deer oki.

From 421B:

  • The deer's first hit is slow so 5[C] is useful to force respect.
  • 5[C] > 5A(w) into IAD mixup or j9.BC fuzzy guard mixup.
  • IAD j.A/B/C mixup if they respect on wakeup.

From 421C:

  • IAD j.C beats slow DPs and you can fuzzy guard with dj.B if you know they wont DP.
  • 9 > late j.B or 9, land 2A
  • Or you can bully with 5[C] until their guard bar gets dangerously low. 2B(1) 5B(1) 5[C] is your optimal string for racking up guard bar damage in this case.
  • 214C into dodge 50/50 or j.A air dash j.A 50/50.
  • Throw/bait.

Point is there is lots to do with pressure and oki with C-Nero in particular you just need to be creative, you can use a variety of summons and strings to create mix up options and take into account the match-up

Defense

Make good friends with downback. Nero has slower than average normals, no forward dash, and mediocre airdash. If you cannot commit insurance fraud with an already active summon, you’re going to play the same blocking simulator the rest of the roster has to, except worse. Again, do not be afraid to part with meter. Nero is not a meter-dependent character in the majority of matchups, he simply uses it very well. C has arguably the strongest reversal options to play with out of all of his moons, so make use of them.

C’s 63214C is both decently fast (1+6) and fully invincible into the first, very large active frame, and will always at least trade if a hurtbox is involved. It can be safe at max range, but if airblocked, sidestepped or shielded at any range, expect a full punish. It's best not used on wake up if chances are the opponent is meatying with a jab due to them being able to whiff cancel it into either shield or a reversal on reaction to the superflash but it is fast enough to take care of anything more committal than that that lacks sufficient invulnerability. Its long reach also makes it a good option for disrespecting longer range moves that have a reactable or readable startup.

As Crescent Moon you are always entitled to the option of using Heat since it sends them fullscreen and allows you to proceed to send out more summons (especially ex deer) and shift the momentum in your favor. Nero's heat hitbox is wider than average but not very tall (literally shorter than Miyako), so keep that in mind when trying to heat against opponents that might be above you at the time of activation.

C-Nero's raw abare options while not among the fastest in the game should not be discounted entirely by any means. 2A is a little slow being out on frame 6 but is very large both horizontally and vertically allowing it to tag players from distances they may usually expect to be safe at for pressure or even catch some characters trying to IAD reset. 2A hitting 3 times also means it can burn through some staggers with armor/clash. 5A whiffs crouchers but is a strong fast tool against airborne pressure sequences and its good horizontal reach means it can work well against attempts at slightly distanced standing staggers. 5B(1) is an often slept on move that is out on frame 5, disjointed, sweeps crouchers and gives soft knockdown on trade, and converts into better combos/damage than 2A making it your strongest close up abare option in a lot of situations. If you successfully poke out with 2A/5A against a grounded opponent from a slight distance convert into 4C instead of 2B to ensure you don't drop. 2C is also deceptively fast and effective at sniping opponents trying to hover above you to bait heat.

EX shield into 5A, 5B, 2A, or even 4C in distanced cases is a good way to put a stop sign in front of careless rushdown or for turning the tide against certain telegraphed gaps and moves. C-Nero's options off regular shield are a lot weaker and mostly limited to 63214C and 236A with the former working in the majority of situations where the opponent isn't safejumping and cannot cancel into an invulnerable move on reaction and the latter is your fastest meterless special and should at minimum trade against anything that is in vertical range and isn't immediately getting followed up with a hitbox that is out on frame 4 or faster.

Combos

Combo Notation Help
Disclaimer: Combos are written by various writers, so the actual notation used in pages can differ from the standard one.

For more information, see Glossary and Controls.

X > Y X input is cancelled into Y.
X > delay Y Must wait for a short period before cancelling X input into Y.
X, Y X input is linked into Y, meaning Y is done after X's recovery period.
X+Y Buttons X and Y must be input simultaneously.
X/Y Either the X or Y input can be used.
X~Y This notation has two meanings.
  1. Use attack X with Y follow-up input.
  2. Input X then within a few frames, input Y. Usually used for option selects.
X(w) X input must not hit the opponent (Whiff).
j.X X input is done in the air, implies a jump/jump cancel if the previous move was done from the ground.

Applies to all air chain sections:

  • Assume a forward jump cancel if no direction is given.
  • Air chains such as j.A > j.B > j.C can be shortened to j.ABC.
sj.X X input is done after a super jump. Notated as sj8.X and sj9.X for neutral and forward super jumps respectively.
dj.X X input is done after a double jump.
sdj.X X input is done after a double super jump.
tk.X Stands for Tiger Knee. X motion must be buffered before jumping, inputting the move as close to the ground as possible. (ex. tk.236A)
(X) X is optional. Typically the combo will be easier if omitted.
[X] Input X is held down. Also referred to as Blowback Edge (BE). Depending on the character, this can indicate that this button is held down and not released until indicated by the release notation.
]X[ Input X is released. Will only appear if a button is previously held down. This type of input is referred to as Negative Edge.
{X} Button X should only be held down briefly to get a partially charged version instead of the fully charged one.
X(N) Attack "X" should only hit N times.
(XYZ)xN XYZ string must be performed N times. Combos using this notation are usually referred to as loops.
(XYZ^) A pre-existing combo labelled XYZ is inserted here for shortening purposes.
CH The first attack must be a Counter Hit.
Air CH The first attack must be a Counter Hit on an airborne opponent.
66 Performs a ground forward dash.
j.66 Performs an aerial forward dash, used as a cancel for certain characters' air strings.
IAD/IABD Performs an Instant AirDash.
AT Performs an Air Throw. (j.6/4A+D)
IH Performs an Initiative Heat.
AD Performs an Arc Drive.
AAD Performs an Another Arc Drive.

The combos in question are based off the assumption you know about the bounce limit. if you didn't know there a grand total of 3 OTG or wall/groundslams can be comboed, after the third the opponent will be fully invincible until they recover. You have two bounces to combo after and a third to end with. Keep that in mind and adjust your combos as you count the amount of wallslams used so far.

Starters

Condition Notation Damage
vs V.Sion
Notes
Normal starter, grounded opponent
  • 2A(A) > 2B(1) > 2C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Common ground starter across the Neros.
Normal starter, grounded opponent
  • 5[C] > 2C/2[C]
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
A starter that is seen either when you are looking to Anti air with either 5[c] or 2C. if 2C lands an air CH please refer to the starter below.
Normal starter, grounded opponent
  • 4C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
A starter that is seen among new Nero players. best used to call out something since its fast but very - on block
Normal starter, airborne opponent
  • j.BC
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
This can be seen usually when you are meeting the opponent in the air if they are trying to jump out or to avoid the summon approaching them from the ground.
CH starter, airborne opponent
  • Air CH starter, 2[C]/2C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
CH 2C starter if you anti air'd an opponent with this starter.

Enders

Condition Notation Damage
vs V.Sion
Notes
Normal starter, grounded opponent
  • AT
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Usually your ender after your last j.C rep in your combo. In the corner it then leads to your Okizeme. Otherwise if C-Nero doesn't end in air throw it lets him set up a 421B/A to cover spaces where the opponent techs upon landing.
Normal starter, grounded opponent, 100% meter
  • 5[C], 421C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
For C-Nero, this is his better ender that sets up EX deer. From there the opponent is now sandwiched between Nero and deer and is subjected to a potential guard break among other things.

Normal Combos

Condition Notation Damage
vs V.Sion
Notes
Normal starter, grounded opponent
  • 2A(A) > 2B(1) > 2C > j.B > dj.BC > j.66 j.C, land sj8.C > dj.B(1)C > AT (236C/5[C], 236C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Typical midscreen combo. Full corner carry from anywhere except the opposite corner. j.B does very good damage in itself and a full j.C prorates pretty badly, so omitting j.C from the first jump gets you better damage. If you had to learn one combo and one combo alone for Nero, this is it.
Normal starter, grounded opponent, 100% meter
  • 2A > 2B > 2C > j.BA > dj.BC, land 63214C, 5B(1) > 2C > 5[C] > 421B/C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
(Can be done from midscreen confirms, last j.B and j.C have to be delayed as much as possible) Midscreen to corner combo that allows you a Regular Deer or EX deer set up of your choosing.
Normal starter, airborne opponent
  • (j.A/j.B)j.C(1-2) > j.66 j.C, land sj.C > sdj.C > AT (236C/5[C], 236C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Basic confirm from j.C, a good starting point for confirming on successful air to air.
4C starter, grounded opponent
  • 4C, j.C(1) > sdj.C > j.66 j.C
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
A combo for when you hit 4C as a call out against someone that was overextending in their approach.
CH 4C starter, grounded opponent
  • CH 4C > j.B(1) > sdj.BC > j.66 j.C, land sj8.C > sdj.BC > AT (236C/5[C], 236C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
A combo for when you hit 4C as a call out against someone that was overextending in their approach. Does a bit more damage and meter gain with this particular combo.
Air CH starter, airborne opponent
  • CH 2C/214B, 2C > 5[C] > 5A, j.B > sdj.BC > j.66 j.C, land sj8.C > sdj.BC > AT (236C/5[C], 236C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Counter hit combo starting with 2C, skip air dash cancel if you're close to the corner.

Corner Combos

Most of the midscreen combos also work in the corner, however if you want to maximize the most reward out of certain situations consider learning the following combos as well:

Condition Notation Damage
vs V.Sion
Notes
Corner starter, grounded opponent
  • 2AA > 2B(1) > 2C > j.BC, land 5[C] - 5B(1) > 2C > 5[C] (> 421B/C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Meterless route to end in 5[C] and set up deer Oki. Only do one 2A vs Nero.
Corner starter, crouching opponent
  • j.B > 5B(1) > 2C > 5[C] > 2A > j.BC > land 5[C] - 5B(1) > 2C > 5[C] (> 421B/C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
Meterless route to end in 5[C] and set up deer Oki.
Corner CH 2C starter, airborne opponent
  • CH 2C 2[C] > 5[C] > IAD j.B, land 2C > 5[C] > 5B, 2C > 5[C] (> 421B/C)
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Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
2C CH in the corner, the link on the last parts is pretty tight, but the damage is worth it.
Corner starter, grounded/airborne opponent
  • 5[C] > 421A, 5[C] > 421B/C
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Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
An option to use if someone got hit by 5[C] that loops back into into 421B/C set up.
Corner starter, grounded/airborne opponent
  • 5[C] > 421A, 5[C] > 2C > j.BA > dj.BC > AT (5[C]/236C)
???


Meter Gained:  ??? Meter Given (vs C-Moon): ???
An option to use if someone got hit by 5[C]. you can choose to go into an aerial of the same route.

Move Descriptions

Frame Data Help
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Move Box Colors

Light gray = Collision Box (A move lacking one means it can go through the opponent's own collision box).
Green: Hurt Boxes.
Red: Hit(/Grab) Boxes.
Yellow: Clash Boxes (When an active hitbox strikes a clash box, the active hitbox stops being active. Multi-hit attacks can beat clash since they will still progress to the next hitbox.)
Magenta: Projectile-reflecting boxes OR Non-hit attack trigger boxes (usually).
Blue: Reflectable Projectile Boxes.

Damage Base damage done by this attack.

(X) denotes combined and scaled damage tested against standing V. Sion.

Red Damage Damage done to the recoverable red health bar by this attack. The values are inherently scaled and tested against standing V. Sion.

(X) denotes combined damage.

Proration The correction value set by this attack and the way it modifies the scaling during a string. See this page for more details.

X% (O) means X% Overrides the previous correction value in a combo if X is of a lower percentage.
X% (M) means the current correction value in a combo will be Multiplied by X%. This can also be referred to as relative proration.

Circuit Meter gained by this attack on hit.

(X%) denotes combined meter gain.
-X% denotes a meter cost.

Cancel Actions this move can be cancelled into.

SE = Self cancelable.
N = Normal cancelable.
SP = Special cancelable.
CH = Cancelable into the next part of the same attack (Chain in case of specials).
EX = EX cancelable.
J = Jump cancelable.
(X) = Cancelable only on hit.
-X- = Cancelable on whiff.

Guard The way this move must be blocked.

L = Can block crouching
H = Can block standing.
A = Can block in the air.
U = Unblockable.

Startup Amount of frames that must pass prior to reaching the active frames. Also referred to as "True Startup".
Active The amount of frames that this move will have a hitbox.

(x) denotes frame gaps where there are no hitboxes is present. Due to varied blockstuns, (x) frames are difficult to use to determine punish windows. Generally the larger the numbers, the more time you have to punish.
X denotes active frames with a duration separate from its origin move's frame data, such as projectile attacks. In this case, the total length of the move is startup+recovery only.

Recovery Frames that this move has after the active frames if not canceled. The character goes into one frame where they can block but not act afterwards, which is not counted here.
Advantage The difference in frames where you can act before your opponent when this move is blocked (assuming the move isn't canceled and the first active frame is blocked).

If the opponent uses a move with startup that is at least 2 frames less than this move's negative advantage, it will result in the opponent hitting that move.
±x~±y denotes a range of possible advantages.

Invul Lists any defensive properties this move has.

X y~z denotes X property happening between the y to z frames of the animations. If no frames are noted, it means the invincibility lasts through the entire move.

Invicibility:

Strike = Strike invincible.
Throw = Throw invincible.

Hurtbox-Based Properties:

Full = No hurtboxes are present.
High = Upper body lacks a hurtbox.
Low = Lower body lacks a hurtbox.

Miscellaneous Properties

Clash = Frames in which clash boxes are active.
Reflect = Frames in which projectile-reflecting boxes are active.
Super Armor = Frames in which the character can take hits without going into hit stun.

Normal Moves

Standing Normals

5A
MBCC C-Nero 5A.png
MBCC C-Nero 5A hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
300 147 78% (O) -SE-, -N-, -SP-, -EX-, (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
4 4 10 -2 3.0% -

Elbow poke. Will whiff on all crouching characters but is a very quick anti-air and allows you to do 5A6E for throws.

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5B
MBCC C-Nero 5B.png
MBCC C-Nero 5B hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
300, 200*2, 300*3 (1259) (794) 100%, 60% (O) N, SP, EX, (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
4 1 (6) 14 18 -7 3.0%, 2.0%*2, 4.0%*3 (19.0%) -

Wolf. Has a startup that is equally as fast as 5A but a very long recovery time. Has a very slight blind spot underneath, Ciel's dash and Len's [3] can go underneath it. The number of hits in this move make it very difficult to shield. Sweeps crouchers allowing you to omit 2b(1) in combos on crouching opponents for more damaging conversions. Low stun past the first hit and cannot be converted off of from max range.

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5C
5C
5[C]
MBCC C-Nero 5C.png
MBCC C-Nero 5C hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 5C BE hb.png
5C Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
300, 500, 800 (1234) (714) 60% (O) N, SP, EX, (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
9 3 (6) 2 (3) 3 19 -7 3.0%*2, 9.0% (15.0%) -

Crocodile. Recovers quicker than it used to in MBAC.

5[C] Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
350*4, 2000 (2299) (1377) 75% (O), 60% (O) N, SP, EX, (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
17 9 (2) 6 11 1 3.5%*4, 10.0% (24.0%) -

Charged crocodile. Deals more damage, gives a hard knockdown on hit, and has increased advantage on block. Absolutely disgusting amounts of disjoint allow this move to beat out just about everything, if spaced remotely well.

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Crouching Normals

2A
MBCC C-Nero 2A.png
MBCC C-Nero 2A hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
200*3 (495) (241) 78% (O) -SE-, -N-, -SP-, -EX-, (J) L
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
5 7 10 -1 2.0%*3 (6.0%) -

Snakes. Hits low. Multi-hit poke that is slightly slower compared to everyone else's. Cancellable only after the third hit. Deceptively strong antiair.

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2B
MBCC C-Nero 2B.png
MBCC C-Nero 2B hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
350*4 (911) (507) 65% (O) N, SP, EX (J) L (1), LH (2-4)
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
8 12 15 -2 4.0%*4 (16.0%) -

Centipede. First hit is low. Hits 4 times. Even though this move has a lot of hits, most of the time you will want to only hit with the first hit due to proration and combo height reasons.

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2C
2C
2[C]
MBCC C-Nero 2C.png
MBCC C-Nero 2C hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 2C BE hb.png
2C Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
900 490 80% (O) N, SP, EX (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
10 8 20 -10 9.0% -

Horn. Hits mid. Strong vertical antiair but extends a large hurtbox before active and has long recovery.

2[C] Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1600 1029 90% (O) N, SP, EX (J) LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
24 8 20 -10 12.0% -

Charged horn. Launches on standing hit and better proration.

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Jumping Normals

j.A
MBCC C-Nero j.A.png
MBCC C-Nero j.A hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
350 196 78% (O) SE, N, J LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
6 4 10 - 3.2% -

Nail. Hits mid. Has good air to ground reach.

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j.B
MBCC C-Nero j.B.png
MBCC C-Nero j.B hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
600, 500 (987) (521) 80% (O) N, J HA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
7 5 - - 6.65%, 7.0% (13.65%) -

Tentacle. Hits high. Has potential to cross up if you are above the enemy, good horizontal range. Very strong vertical and horizontal disjoint make this move extremely difficult to contest, and one of the most useful tools in Nero's kit.

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j.C
MBCC C-Nero j.C.png
MBCC C-Nero j.C hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
300*3, 700 196*3, 392 100%, 90% (M) N, J HA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
8 10 - - 1.0%, 2.0%, 4.0%*2 (11.0%) -

Nightmare. Hits high. Four hits. You can combo this move into itself but only three times due to wallslam count (Only counted when the last hit connects). Its reach is very deceptive.

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Command Normals

4C
MBCC C-Nero 4C.png
MBCC C-Nero 4C hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 4C2.png
MBCC C-Nero 4C2 hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800, 600 (1106) (689) 60% (O) (N), (SP), (EX), (J) LH, LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
9 7 (6) 4 18 -17, -4 8.0%, 6.0% (14.0%) -

Mantis. The second hit is air-blockable. Whiffs on all crouching opponents if the first hit is blocked meaning the -4 aspect only comes up if the opponent stand blocks for some reason. Safer than it appears in most matchups. Uncancellable on block. First hit launches on trade allowing for a better pick up compared to the uninterrupted two hits.

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Universal Mechanics

Ground Throw
MBCC Nero Throw.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
200*9 (1572) (588) 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
2 1 22 - 0.0% -

Nero lifts the opponent up and lets his pet birds do some damage. Launches the opponent in an air-tech state.

Air Throw
Air Throw
j.6/4A+D
MBCC Nero AirThrow.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1200 (1056) 517 30% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
1 1 12 - 10.0% -

Nero grabs and punches them to the ground for a bounce. Hard knockdown if done as a combo ender.

Shield Bunker
Shield Bunker
214D in neutral or blockstun
MBCC Nero 214D.png
MBCC Nero 214D hb.png
Bunker Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
500 196 100% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
25 4 19 -5 0.0%
(-50.0% in blockstun)
Clash 1-10
(Clash) Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
500 196 100% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
7 4 19 -5 0.0%/-50.0% Strike 1-7

Nero steps to the side and throws some shade. Costs 50.0% meter during blockstun.

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Heat
Heat
A+B+C
MBCC Nero ABC.png
MBCC Nero ABC hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
100 0 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
19 3 25 - -100.0% (min) Full 1-22

Wide hitbox but only covers less than 2/3rds of Nero's height.

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Circuit Spark
Circuit Spark
A+B+C during hitstun/blockstun at MAX
MBCC Nero ABC.png
MBCC Nero CSpark hb.png
MBCC Nero CSpark Air hb.png
Ground Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
100 0 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
10 10 20 - removes all Full 1-39
Air Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
100 0 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
11 10 15 - removes all Strike 1-30

Universal burst mechanic. Unlike Crescent/Full Heat activation, the hitbox and frame data doesn't vary between characters. However, you can be thrown out of this move if you input it in the air.

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Special Moves

Forward Dash
MBCC C-Nero 66.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
- - - - -
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
- - 56 - - Full 1-53

Special forward dash that teleports Nero and is invincible from frame 1.

236X
MBCC C-Nero 236A.png
MBCC C-Nero 236A hb.png
Straightforward projectile.
Straightforward projectile.
MBCC C-Nero 236B.png
MBCC C-Nero 236B hb.png
Delayed birdie.
Delayed birdie.
MBCC C-Nero 236C.png
MBCC C-Nero 236C hb.png
Insert "murder of crows" joke here.
Insert "murder of crows" joke here.
A Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800 343 100% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
8 X 31 -3 8.0% -

A crow will travel quickly in a horizontal line. This move has amazing speed but a terrible recovery. This crow may be run underneath by some characters.

B Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800 245 50% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
121 19 42 - 8.0% -

A crow will float above Nero and descend at a 45 degree angle after a bit. This move will not hit until its descent.

EX Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
210*13 (1785) (823) 90% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
3+43 46 3+14 - -100.0% Full 1-3

Costs 100% Meter. Summons many 236B crows. Recovery is deceptively fast and is a great tool to keep opponents in place or to keep them afraid while you try to throw them.

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623X
Chaos Release - Black Wings
623A/[A]/B/[B]/C
(No EX)
MBCC C-Nero 623X.png
MBCC C-Nero 623AB hb.png
A/B Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800 245 50% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
72 ~ 516 16 42 - 8.0% -

Negative edge. A crow will float above Nero and very slowly float backwards (A) or forwards (B) from there until you release the corresponding button, at which point it will descend at a 45 degree angle. Goes away on hit if not released.

C Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800 245 50% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
288 12 54 - 8.0% -

A crow will float in the air sloppily following the enemy's movements for a few seconds before finally attacking at a 45° angle. Not an EX. Goes away on hit.

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214X
MBCC C-Nero 214X.png
MBCC C-Nero 214A hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 214C.png
MBCC C-Nero 214B hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 214C hb.png
A Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
400, 160*10 (1725) (671) 100% - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
67 (min) 3 39 - 8.0%, 0.6%*10 (14.0%) -

A snake will travel slowly across the ground. This snake is controlled by negative edge: releasing the A button will "activate" it. Upon being hit the opponent will be chewed and then dropped from the top of the screen in a ground-tech state. You can hit the opponent with other attacks while he is being chewed though it is not seem possible to produce any other summons during this time.

B Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1000 392 87% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
55 (min) 3 34 - 11.0% -

A snake will travel quickly across the ground. This snake automatically activates when it is near an opponent. Air techable on hit, untechable on counter hit.

EX Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1500 1176 75% (O) - LH
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
7+28 3 2 23 -100.0% -

Costs 100% Meter. Summons a mouth that covers most of the screen. Is air unblockable but easily shielded.

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421X
MBCC C-Nero 421X.png
MBCC C-Nero 421A hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 421B hb.png
MBCC C-Nero 421C hb.png
A Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
600 392 75% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
36 10 44 - 5.0% -

A single deer will jump towards the opponent. There is a blind spot directly in front of Nero when summoned. Useful for surprising opponents who try to jump or airdash behind you.

B Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
800*2 392*2 75% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
145 4 (61) 4 60 - 8.0%*2 (16.0%) -

A single deer will take its time jumping towards the opponent twice. This deer takes a while to summon but is useful when you can get it out.

EX Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1500*3 980*3 75% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
2+106 4 (41) 4 (41) 4 2+50 - -100.0% Full 1-5

Costs 100% meter. Summons a deer that will jump towards the opponent three times at a normal speed.

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63214C
MBCC C-Nero 63214C.png
MBCC C-Nero 63214C hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
1000*3 (2675) (1835) 100% (O) - LHA
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
1+6 7 36 -21 -100.0% Full 1-8

Phantom Hand. Costs 100% meter. Can be used as a reversal, but leaves you in a counter hit state till the move fully recovers.

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Arc Drive

Armament 999
41236C during Max/Heat
MBCC C-Nero 41236C.png
MBCC C-Nero 41236C AD hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
3500 2254 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
2+59 8 81 - removes all Full

Nero transforms and charges forward. Lengthy startup, but unblockable and unshieldable.

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Another Arc Drive

Armament 999
41236C during Blood Heat
MBCC C-Nero 41236C.png
MBCC C-Nero 41236C AAD hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
3000*2 (5350) (3338) 100% - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
2+39 X (78) X 86 - removes all Full

Improved version. Nero charges toward to edge of the screen, then charges back to his original position. Faster startup than Arc Drive.

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Last Arc

Number of the Beast
Grounded EX Shield during Blood Heat
MBCC C-Nero LastArc.png
MBCC C-Nero LastArc hb.png
Damage Red Damage Proration Cancel Guard
700*15 (3029 ~ 6145) (2526 ~ 5090) 50% + 50% * remaining BH time - U
First Active Active Recovery Frame Adv Circuit Invuln
1+6 100 39 - removes all Full

Nero fires an unblockable laser.

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